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Christini Zambini
Feb 20, 2005
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As I recall from hearing Mitt's explanation, they always traveled with their dog in a crate on top of the station wagon luggage rack and their dog loved it. The reason it is even an issue is because he told what he thought was a funny story about the dog having diarrhea and how they had to clean off the car.

Remember that this was in the early 80's and our safety practices have changed a lot since then. How many of you wore seat belts then or had to sit in car seats as kids? What about bicycle or motorcycle helmets? My parents used to have a car that didn't even have seat belts and it was very common to ride around in the back of a pickup! We have to judge a situation by the context of when it happened and not by what we'd do today.

There is a law on the Mass. books about what he did being illegal. Mitt said that he had no idea--if he did know that it was illegal, do you think he would have brought it up?
 

goofer

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Feb 21, 2005
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Romney may make a good running mate for McCain but I would prefer Leiberman as McCain's running mate. I have a problem with Romney as the nominee. He is very vulnerable to the flip flop charge which points out his lack of a core set of political beliefs. He is a very successful business man and his devout religious beliefs are unquestioned. He does not have the depth of knowledge or experience of John McCain. Remember his answer to one of the theoretical national security crisis that he was asked at one of the debates ? His answer was that he would consult the lawyers. McCain is the most able of all the candidates whether republican or democrat. The most important personal attribute a potential president MUST HAVE is JUDGEMENT. How do we respond in a critical situation of war and peace, what tough policy decisions need to be made, what is America's role in the world. Besides.....most importantly McCAIN CAN WIN.
 

Smiling JOe

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The article says that it's against state law in Massachusetts to carry a dog in the open bed of a pickup truck...:dunno:
...and in TN, it is illegal to carry people in the back of a pickup.

BTW, what is the difference in a dog hanging out the window of the car going down the road, vs being in a crate which is attached to the car and is safer?

CCK, thanks for the schooling on the verbage. As I said, most of us, myself included, don't know much about LDS Church. One's choice of religion doesn't influence my vote much, unless the candidate is an extremist or belongs to an extremist religion with morally incorrect beliefs.
 

Bob

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Good comment, Bob. Think of the life and the accomplishments of John McCain. He has all the things a great President requires:
Judgement
Character
Integrity
Experience
Iintelligence
Insight
Knowledge of History
marrying money proves 2 of the 7. I think he's so off base about Iraq, but that's debatable. I think his immigration bill was pandering to Latinos at the expense of our country.
 

goofer

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Feb 21, 2005
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marrying money proves 2 of the 7. I think he's so off base about Iraq, but that's debatable. I think his immigration bill was pandering to Latinos at the expense of our country.

As far as immigration, he is a realist. As far as Iraq, he was a lone voice in the wilderness when he was esposing a surge which he was 100% correct on. And as far as marrying money, I say it is as easy to marry a rich one as a poor one, but rich is definitely better !! ;-)
 

wrobert

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marrying money proves 2 of the 7. I think he's so off base about Iraq, but that's debatable. I think his immigration bill was pandering to Latinos at the expense of our country.

I have problems with McCains attack on free speech under the guise of election reform. I am sure an unintended consequence, yet one he has failed to fix. McCain-Feingold has become a severe hindrance to grass roots campaigning at the local level. It has added an extraordinary amount of paperwork and if the local party makes a mistake, even if due to just a misunderstanding the penalties are enormous and party leaders are subject to prosecution. I am sure that most of this has got to be unconstitutional, but who can afford to get arrested and pay the legal fees to prove a point?
 

Mango

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Separation of church and state is a concept most on this board, I'm including everyone now, like to dance around but do not subscribe to. All this considering of a human being based on his religion is a worthless waste of time.

excellent post my friend, however when considering the man/woman candidate, their stance on issues, and how that may factor into policy that are based on their religion needs to be considered. I could care less what religion Huckabee is, but the fact that he wants to overthrow Roe vs. Wade exemplifies how his religion might reflect on more important issues to me that are plaguing this country.
 

Smiling JOe

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As far as immigration, he is a realist. As far as Iraq, he was a lone voice in the wilderness when he was esposing a surge which he was 100% correct on. And as far as marrying money, I say it is as easy to marry a rich one as a poor one, but rich is definitely better !! ;-)
only if all else being equal. ;-) I'd take a poor loving wife over a rich hating wife every day of the week. I'm sure that is what you meant, but just wanted to clarify.
 

TooFarTampa

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Latter-day Saints have a strong belief and appreciation for the separation of church and state. .

This is very helpful. It makes me believe though that his former pro-choice stance and former support for civil unions actually are positions that are more in tune with his core beliefs. I can't help but think his positions have changed because it is easier to become the Republican nominee if you are pro-life and anti-gay marriage. I have no doubt that he is a great guy with a good head on his shoulders and an oustanding business record; it's the backbone and his ability to handle the various challenges a president faces that I am concerned about.

I would consider voting for him, but I am not sold yet by any means.

Remember that this was in the early 80's and our safety practices have changed a lot since then. How many of you wore seat belts then or had to sit in car seats as kids? What about bicycle or motorcycle helmets? My parents used to have a car that didn't even have seat belts and it was very common to ride around in the back of a pickup! We have to judge a situation by the context of when it happened and not by what we'd do today.

Outstanding point. The kids were probably not wearing seat belts, or using car seats either. It was a totally different time. However, he should know that telling the story in this day and age would raise eyebrows ... the fact that he seemed not to think of this makes me wonder a little.

Romney may make a good running mate for McCain but I would prefer Leiberman as McCain's running mate. I have a problem with Romney as the nominee. He is very vulnerable to the flip flop charge which points out his lack of a core set of political beliefs. He is a very successful business man and his devout religious beliefs are unquestioned. He does not have the depth of knowledge or experience of John McCain. Remember his answer to one of the theoretical national security crisis that he was asked at one of the debates ? His answer was that he would consult the lawyers. McCain is the most able of all the candidates whether republican or democrat. The most important personal attribute a potential president MUST HAVE is JUDGEMENT. How do we respond in a critical situation of war and peace, what tough policy decisions need to be made, what is America's role in the world. Besides.....most importantly McCAIN CAN WIN.

Goofer do you really think McCain can win? McCain-Leiberman would be an unbelievable ticket. I could get on board for that.
 

goofer

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Feb 21, 2005
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only if all else being equal. ;-) I'd take a poor loving wife over a rich hating wife every day of the week. I'm sure that is what you meant, but just wanted to clarify.

Let's just say that a rich one makes for a great FIRST marriage. I am sure the ladies would agree.

P.S. I am just foolin'
 
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