Mitt Romney

[Matt J]

This is very helpful. It makes me believe though that his former pro-choice stance and former support for civil unions actually are positions that are more in tune with his core beliefs. I can't help but think his positions have changed because it is easier to become the Republican nominee if you are pro-life and anti-gay marriage. I have no doubt that he is a great guy with a good head on his shoulders and an oustanding business record; it's the backbone and his ability to handle the various challenges a president faces that I am concerned about.

I would consider voting for him, but I am not sold yet by any means.

This is true and the funny thing is that it may not be a core belief, but one of those poliTRICKS where he has to announce it, get elected, and then like the last couple of presidents; back burner it until re-election time when they pull out the anti-abortion anti-gay puppets and dance them around again.

 

[Mango]

Surprise ending. Donald gives the job to the gracious loser for being a 'nice guy'?

is Rosie O'Donnell running?

 

[Smiling JOe]

The abortion issue comes into play only when appointing Judges to the US Supreme Court. If there are no appointments, the issue is irrelevant to the Presidency. However, if there is an opening, then it is an issue.

 

[Camp Creek Kid]

Funny that on the Huckabee thread everyone was saying that the social issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc.) were not the most important issues in our country right now, but here we are discussing them as if they were.

 

[NoHall]

Funny that on the Huckabee thread everyone was saying that the social issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc.) were not the most important issues in our country right now, but here we are discussing them as if they were.

I didn't get that here...I agree with Mango that they're NOT the most important issues. I strongly believe that social issues should not be government issues. I don't want the government's permission to marry, bear children, or to have any sort of medical procedure. For the record, I believe that abortion is wrong, but so is shooting my rich husband. (Are you happy, SJ?) The government can't stop me from doing either thing if I'm determined.

 

[Camp Creek Kid]

This is true and the funny thing is that it may not be a core belief, but one of those poliTRICKS where he has to announce it, get elected, and then like the last couple of presidents; back burner it until re-election time when they pull out the anti-abortion anti-gay puppets and dance them around again.

Here is why I believe Mitt's social views have evolved. His first elected office was as Gov. as Mass.--he was a Republican in very liberal state. He came into the office from the business world where he had spent his entire career leading corporations and mediating agreements, contracts, etc. In business you sometimes have to keep your mouth shut about your personal views. In order for two sides to come together, you have to make compromises. He used these principles in office and he worked remarkably well with liberal courts and a liberal legislature. As he gained more experience in government, I believe that he became more comfortable voicing his more conservative views about social issues--its o.k. for politicians to be "political" whereas in the business world, it is wiser to be conciliatory.

 

[Smiling JOe]

Abortion isn't an issue for me. I have my thoughts on abortion, but in reality, as NoHall says, the gov't making it illegal won't stop people from having them, no more than drug laws stop people from smoking pot.

Now that we have religion and abortion out of the way, what new information or thoughts do you have regarding Mitt Romney?

 

[wrobert]

Now that we have religion and abortion out of the way, what new information or thoughts do you have regarding Mitt Romney?

What about immigration? I heard a report on NPR this evening about how the whole Okalohoma immigration law was having a negative effect on the economy due to the lack of workers now that illegals were fleeing the state. While lots has been said about the number of illegal immigrants in the country, some are making the point that it takes workers to grow an economy, and without the illegal immigrants we would have more jobs than people. This would of course lead to increased wages, but would that not also lead to increased prices or would corporations just absorb that added costs and settle for less profit. And before we get off on the evil corporations, remember all of those of us that own stocks and have 401(k)s and such, we are the evil corporations. They are just trying to make profits to make us owners happy.

 

[Matt J]

What about immigration? I heard a report on NPR this evening about how the whole Okalohoma immigration law was having a negative effect on the economy due to the lack of workers now that illegals were fleeing the state. While lots has been said about the number of illegal immigrants in the country, some are making the point that it takes workers to grow an economy, and without the illegal immigrants we would have more jobs than people. This would of course lead to increased wages, but would that not also lead to increased prices or would corporations just absorb that added costs and settle for less profit. And before we get off on the evil corporations, remember all of those of us that own stocks and have 401(k)s and such, we are the evil corporations. They are just trying to make profits to make us owners happy.

I believe this argument was made 400 years ago by sugar plantation owners followed closely by the cotton plantation owners. While I'm not saying illegal aliens should be granted amnesty, I think it is a very slippery slope when we start talking about a different class of people who can "grow" our economy.

For the record I'm not saying that you are saying something you are not.

 

[NoHall]

What about immigration? I heard a report on NPR this evening about how the whole Okalohoma immigration law was having a negative effect on the economy due to the lack of workers now that illegals were fleeing the state. While lots has been said about the number of illegal immigrants in the country, some are making the point that it takes workers to grow an economy, and without the illegal immigrants we would have more jobs than people. This would of course lead to increased wages, but would that not also lead to increased prices or would corporations just absorb that added costs and settle for less profit. And before we get off on the evil corporations, remember all of those of us that own stocks and have 401(k)s and such, we are the evil corporations. They are just trying to make profits to make us owners happy.

Don't get me started. This goes right along with the "they're doing jobs that Americans won't do" argument, and I'm sick to DEATH of hearing about it. I was a landscaper for 13 years, and my father worked in the poultry industry. I just don't buy the "too many jobs for Americans" argument.

I believe this argument was made 400 years ago by sugar plantation owners followed closely by the cotton plantation owners. While I'm not saying illegal aliens should be granted amnesty, I think it is a very slippery slope when we start talking about a different class of people who can "grow" our economy.

And when that ended, the economy adjusted. It will again. Those who want to stay and continue to earn American wages need to go through the steps to become American citizens.

Where is Romney on the immigration issue? Don't make me look it up...

Nevermind...I already did. Here it is.