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bdc63

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Jun 12, 2006
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There are a lot of foods that I love (and that are good for me in moderation) that don't fit into the Raw diet, but the real biggie for me (aside from my love of bacon, beef, and fresh fruit) is that many of the raw foods I have tried are rather yucky.

Limiting and extreme ... yes.

Time consuming ... very.

But "yucky"? ... no way! Big salads full of veges-fruit-nuts with homemade dressings, fresh fruit (it was on the alkalizing ph diet that I couldn't eat fruit; vegans eat tons of fruit), gazpacho and other cold fresh soups, salsa, guacamole, tapenades, homemade muesli and granola, yummy "mylks" made from nuts and dates, vege wraps, slaws, smoothies/juices, organic wines and sake, and all kinds of desserts including raw ice creams, sorbets, cobblers, cookie bars, and tarts ... And raw foods retain their flavors (and nutrients) in a way that cooked foods just don't; that's why cooked foods need so much salt/spices and added fat -- to make them appetizing.
 
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bdc63

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I use to think all these things were just life and I was getting older. The more I have tuned my diet the more I have learned that whole feeling bad thing has more to do with my diet then aging or life. The cleaner I eat the younger I get. I guess when you are younger your filter just works better.

Very well said.

I followed an Alkalizing diet for awhile, and what they believe about disease and aging has really stuck with me. Basically what I remember from it is that every organ in your body has an optimal ph level that it should be at for perfect health. But the blood has a level that it must be at, or you die. So, if you eat the typical American acidic (actually, VERY acidic) diet, then your blood has to "steal" akalinity from other organs to maintain its required level, and ends up "dumping" the extra acidity into the organs it has stolen from. Over time the acidity build up in these other organs leads to all the illness and disease that is so prevalent in American society. They even believe that if you can get your body into the correct ph zone, that it becomes impossible to catch a cold or the flu.

They don't quite promise a fountain of youth, but if they are right and you could live the last 20 years of your life without making one or two trips a week to the doctor and taking handfulls of percription drugs every morning (like my in-laws currently do), then it becomes darn compelling.
 

mikecat adjuster

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Yeah. I am good with sea salt. Its all the other places they sneak that stuff in. Popcorn at a movie theater will almost kill me. I read one time you would be better off eating 4 big macs then a small bag of popcorn at the theater! Crazy. Fried food is another one that kills me. I get dehydrated and a horrible Headache. I use to think all these things were just life and I was getting older. The more I have tuned my diet the more I have learned that whole feeling bad thing has more to do with my diet then aging or life. The cleaner I eat the younger I get. I guess when you are younger your filter just works better.

This is a great thread. Bobby J, it is amazing how we can go through years of our life and not associate a consequence with an action. I feel so dumb when I finally do and think of all the wasted time. But the thing is, I know right now there are probably hundreds of little things like that I don't fully recognize.

I sometimes suffer from restless legs syndrome. It has been so bad that once I put myself to sleep while shaking my legs as rapidly as I could. If I wouldn't shake them, I would have gone crazy.

I kept a journal and found that salt consumption was the main factor for me. It's funny, I told my brother I didn't think I ate too much salt and he said, "Mike, you keep a salt shaker next to your chair." And he was right. I salted everything way too much.

Today, I am fasting. It is 4:30 and I'm still going. I want to go for a one day fast but wonder if I'll be able to get to sleep tonight. Then I'll go from there and maybe extend it slightly. I've read that the first day toxins are removed from your muscles and only after that does it begin working on your fat reserves.

I'm not doing this for weight reasons. I am already stone cold hot ;) But seriously, I did it recently and it is as if you get these insights. And it makes me realize that I eat out of habit and compulsion and often as a comforting thing. And it makes me think about what I am putting into my body.

I have a headache right now. I find it helps for me to be out of the house and busy. Earlier while hiking I came out along 30A and low and behold if I didn't think about going to Flip Flops for a burger before I caught myself.

Then I re-entered the woonds and saw a deer. Now that would be some lean eating. Oh, and I always hear about the health benefits of eating raw FRUITS and vegetables. That alkaline/acid thing sounds interesting. Apparently the results are favorable for you bdc63. Congratulations on that and salutes to you for your dedication. Sometimes we need to be against a wall to force a change. Maybe I can learn something from you. Thanks!
 

Gidget

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Also, check your caffeine intake.

Good luck! So happy people are associating ailments and disease with what goes in the body. I know I would suffer greatly if it weren't for awareness. Doesn't mean you can never have x, y or z - but what you do on a regular basis and when you eat with a conscience you just feel better. Our bodies are remarkable and when we abuse them, they let us know.

Try my favorite fall salad: (organic ingredients when possible)

Bowl of mixed spring mix salad greens, purple grapes, crisp apples with peel left on, raw walnuts, celery. Juice of one 1/2 orange and cut up the flesh of the other half of the orange. Use the juice as the dressing. Enjoy! This is a raw version of Waldorf Salad without the mayo. VERY clean tasting and oh so great this time of year what with apples and citrus coming in. The natural sodium in the celery is great for those who are active and need sodium but don't want to use the shaker.

G
 

mikecat adjuster

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Wow Mike! My sister has that same restless leg thing. She loves salt. Did cutting back help?

Yes, salt cutback helped. When I go back to Louisiana during crawfish season I swallow some salty crawdads but it has the affect on me. Before I found out some factors influencing the RLS I used Iron tablets to help which did offer relief.

But yes, have your sister google salt and RLS. I think I remember looking at it after and it was a theme.
 

bluecliff

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Sep 26, 2009
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Aware of the suffering caused by the destrustion of life...

I am committed to culitvating insight and compassion so that I may learn ways to protect the lives of people, animals, plants and minerals.

Eating meat is no longer relevant in our society, it is a thing of the past. Holding on to the concept that it is permissable for another living being to be murdered to fulfill our human addictions to meat , clothing, or any other part of our life, this way of life is completely out of date.
Breaking this kind of addiction is uncomfortable for us. We believe it will be to uncomfortable for the rest of our friends and family to be with us also, its easier to stick our head back in the sand.
No one wants to feel their heart break, the things that go on in our everyday life can be emotional enough without adding to it by being aware of the suffering we put our animals through for our own pleasure and continue to put them through because of our own fear.
Anyone who has given up participating in this kind of animal murder, animal cruelty is a brave soul, and a teacher of great compassion. It makes me feel so good to know there are people in my community that are not afraid to look deeply into this subject, not afraid to keep their heart open and state their awareness of animals deep suffering and their inability to use their own voices to protect themselves.
 
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Geo

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Dec 24, 2006
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I am committed to culitvating insight and compassion so that I may learn ways to protect the lives of people, animals, plants and minerals.

Eating meat is no longer relevant in our society, it is a thing of the past. Holding on to the concept that it is permissable for another living being to be murdered to fulfill our human addictions to meat , clothing, or any other part of our life, this way of life is completely out of date.
Breaking this kind of addiction is uncomfortable for us. We believe it will be to uncomfortable for the rest of our friends and family to be with us also, its easier to stick our head back in the sand.
No one wants to feel their heart break, the things that go on in our everyday life can be emotional enough without adding to it by being aware of the suffering we put our animals through for our own pleasure and continue to put them through because of our own fear.
Anyone who has given up participating in this kind of animal murder, animal cruelty is a brave soul, and a teacher of great compassion. It makes me feel so good to know there are people in my community that are not afraid to look deeply into this subject, not afraid to keep their heart open and state their awareness of animals deep suffering and their inability to use their own voices to protect themselves.

I respect your opinion and admire your passion. But when you say eating meat is no longer relevant and a thing of the past I hope you are presenting your view of the way things could/should be, your goal, your utopia. Because the reality is that meat is still the norm, the standard, the convention. It is still quite relevant and perceived to be necessary.

:dunno:

I am personally conflicted because I am an animal lover. The videos of slaughter houses break my heart. But I eat meat and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon. I believe that it is a natural thing to eat meat. For as long as humans have existed they have eaten meat. Let's not forget- we are animals (albeit evolved ones).

I think we could all make a difference if we spent our resources promoting the humane treatment and killing (yes- I see the irony/oxymoron here) of cows, pigs, chickens, etc. because the practice of eating meat isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd imagine it'll take another century, if not more.

Two cents, G
 

Susan Horn

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This is a great thread. Bobby J, it is amazing how we can go through years of our life and not associate a consequence with an action. I feel so dumb when I finally do and think of all the wasted time. But the thing is, I know right now there are probably hundreds of little things like that I don't fully recognize.

I sometimes suffer from restless legs syndrome. It has been so bad that once I put myself to sleep while shaking my legs as rapidly as I could. If I wouldn't shake them, I would have gone crazy.

I kept a journal and found that salt consumption was the main factor for me. It's funny, I told my brother I didn't think I ate too much salt and he said, "Mike, you keep a salt shaker next to your chair." And he was right. I salted everything way too much.

Today, I am fasting. It is 4:30 and I'm still going. I want to go for a one day fast but wonder if I'll be able to get to sleep tonight. Then I'll go from there and maybe extend it slightly. I've read that the first day toxins are removed from your muscles and only after that does it begin working on your fat reserves.

I'm not doing this for weight reasons. I am already stone cold hot ;) But seriously, I did it recently and it is as if you get these insights. And it makes me realize that I eat out of habit and compulsion and often as a comforting thing. And it makes me think about what I am putting into my body.

I have a headache right now. I find it helps for me to be out of the house and busy. Earlier while hiking I came out along 30A and low and behold if I didn't think about going to Flip Flops for a burger before I caught myself.

Then I re-entered the woonds and saw a deer. Now that would be some lean eating. Oh, and I always hear about the health benefits of eating raw FRUITS and vegetables. That alkaline/acid thing sounds interesting. Apparently the results are favorable for you bdc63. Congratulations on that and salutes to you for your dedication. Sometimes we need to be against a wall to force a change. Maybe I can learn something from you. Thanks!

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing all this. I probably need to start up my periodic fasting as well. Are you doing water only? Liquids only? ...I saw 3 young deer on the south side of 30A last night on the way home. So beautiful.
 

bluecliff

Beach Comber
Sep 26, 2009
10
6
Seacrest Beach
I respect your opinion and admire your passion. But when you say eating meat is no longer relevant and a thing of the past I hope you are presenting your view of the way things could/should be, your goal, your utopia. Because the reality is that meat is still the norm, the standard, the convention. It is still quite relevant and perceived to be necessary.

:dunno:

I am personally conflicted because I am an animal lover. The videos of slaughter houses break my heart. But I eat meat and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon. I believe that it is a natural thing to eat meat. For as long as humans have existed they have eaten meat. Let's not forget- we are animals (albeit evolved ones).

I think we could all make a difference if we spent our resources promoting the humane treatment and killing (yes- I see the irony/oxymoron here) of cows, pigs, chickens, etc. because the practice of eating meat isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I'd imagine it'll take another century, if not more.

Two cents, G
Thanks for replying on that thread. you gave me some interesting things to contemplate!
When I say that eating meat is no longer relevant and a thing of the past i mean that the majority of us do not need meat as life sustaining food, unless you may have some medical reasons. I understand what your saying about humans eating meat as long as there has been civilization but now it is much easier for us to acquire food, we go down to the grocery store and we have many choices. It is the norm for us to eat meat, this is how we are raised, most of us. We are human animals, but there are other animals who live on vegetation alone. You are so right about putting our time and energy into reducing the cruelty in these factories, this is very important. And also to look into where you are purchasing your meat from so that possibly we have more humaine choices. I have found even at Publix that if we ask for a particular product sometimes they can get it, but we still have to be aware that sometime organic does not mean cruelty free.
There are a lot of things throughout are lifetime as human beings that have fallen away due to awareness of our ignorance, we now know
that smoking is a health hazard, something most of us were not aware of 60 years ago. But even though so many of us know that we continue to do it. I smoked 2 packs of cigarettes a day for 20 years, i knew it was bad for me, I knew it was not setting a good example for my kids , why did I do it, because smoking even today is still socially acceptable, and also I was addicted, phisically, mentally and emotionally.
I think a lot of us are the same way with meat, and just food in general. We use it to temporarly make us feel better, and most of the time do so with the knowledge that we are only creating more addiction in ourselves and families.
You are right, in a utopia it would be completely irrelevant and probably against the law to consume other living beings, especially by the torcherous ends they meet. It may never happen.
When we are lost in the forest we use the north star to guide us out. We are not trying to get to the north star, we are only moving in that direction.
The deeper we pennitrate this topic the more awareness we bring to ourselves and our society.
I can tell that this is something you are looking into deeply, and I can tell that it has brought you a lot of awareness.
It would be wonderful if like you, like me, and many others, more people we able to open their heart to this topic.
The main word I really liked that you used in your comment was "perceived"
It is our perception as a society that eating meat is normal, and valid.
The question is where did these perceptions come from, when were these perception passed on to us,do we want to allow the perceptions of our ancestors to continue dictating how we live our life in our modern era, why do we consider these perceptions still relevant, everything is moving, everything is changing, our perceptions must go in the direction of movement as well,and lastly we need to ask ourselves are these the the perceptions that we ourselves, we as our society want to put our signiture on. :D
 
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