Never eat meat again.

[Gidget]

This is not trolling. My personal requirements at present are 16 oz's of meat daily, at a minimum. I try to eat a pound of leafy greens too but sometimes can't get that down. I round out the caloric needs with cream or butter, a bit of cheese, or a spoonful or three of coconut oil. I have lost a fair bit of weight on chicken wings and rendered bits of crispy beef fat. I look and feel better than I have since High School. I strongly encourage the reading of Amazon.com: Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health (Vintage) (9781400033461): Gary Taubes: Books for what some might find an interesting point of view.

Have you read Trick and Treat by Barry Groves? It is one of my sons favorites but highly controversial. Meat meat meat! He doesn't agree of course with all that Barry says (and man, I sure don't) but basically I think it is very similar to the book you are talking about.

G

 

[elgordoboy]

Have you read Trick and Treat by Barry Groves? It is one of my sons favorites but highly controversial. Meat meat meat! He doesn't agree of course with all that Barry says (and man, I sure don't) but basically I think it is very similar to the book you are talking about.

G

I have not read that and I agree about For The Health of it. Being curious about the White Oaks grass fed beef for a year or so (amongst other brands as well) that FTHOI recently began carrying I bought two NY strips and was very pleased. I enjoy vegetables too much to give them up, luckily for me I do not have to choose one or the other, though I support everyone's decision to do what they feel right for themselves.

 

[Alicia Leonard]

I have not read that and I agree about For The Health of it. Being curious about the White Oaks grass fed beef for a year or so (amongst other brands as well) that FTHOI recently began carrying I bought two NY strips and was very pleased. I enjoy vegetables too much to give them up, luckily for me I do not have to choose one or the other, though I support everyone's decision to do what they feel right for themselves.[/quote]

Some do not process carbs as well as others, I being one of those people. I have read that many with native American backgrounds become insulin resistant with the typical American diet. Too much fruit and my blood sugar starts going whack. I have to work hard to strike a balance with what helps me feel better. I'm very interested in the grass fed beef, as well.

I agree with Gordy and Gidget, if you want respect for the way you choose to eat, you might start respecting the ways others choose to eat.

 

[Bobby J]

Too much fruit and my blood sugar starts going whack. I have to work hard to strike a balance with what helps me feel better. I'm very interested in the grass fed beef, as well.
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I have that blood sugar problem before and had success actually only eating fruit until noon. Did it for a few months and my blood sugar stabilized. My sugar level has remained stable unless i dip into too much java. Then it really whacks out.

 

[Alicia Leonard]

I have that blood sugar problem before and had success actually only eating fruit until noon. Did it for a few months and my blood sugar stabilized. My sugar level has remained stable unless i dip into too much java. Then it really whacks out.

Some studies are showing that java pushes more insulin production, which in turn will drop your blood sugar like a rock. I'm ok with things like organic apples, but I need a little almond or peanut butter on them if that's gonna be breakfast. When I stay with two cups of coffee or less and go green tea( which is being shown to help damper insulin production in people like me) I do much better.

 

[Susan Horn]

Loving the conversation here, all the information from richly diverse sources. Thanks, everybody.

I have recently been advised to include a small amount of solid animal protein with my fruit or vegetable in the mornings (I had always had just fruit too, till mid morning or lunch). About one egg, or equivalent protein as cheese, chicken, etc. Am also supposed to have similar amount of animal protein at lunch, and limit starchy foods, even complex carbs like legumes and whole grains. Save those for dinner, I'm told. Also, stay away from soy because it messes with thyroid (had no idea; soy was a staple for years). If I want a snack, include a bit of protein....

So I've been trying this new approach to eating for a few weeks, and am still dialing in how to do it since it is very different from what I'm used to. But it is amazing how much my energy has leveled out through the day. A lot of it comes down, I think, to portion size, and obviously, blood sugar.

Yoga helps me too, with the energy balancing....

 

[Gidget]

I have that blood sugar problem before and had success actually only eating fruit until noon. Did it for a few months and my blood sugar stabilized. My sugar level has remained stable unless i dip into too much java. Then it really whacks out.

Anyone with blood sugar levels that are out of whack would be wise to give up caffeine. Amazing how so many do not make that connection and blame certain foods though. Caffeine can really do a number on blood sugar. Glad you made the connection.

G

 

[Gidget]

I have not read that and I agree about For The Health of it. Being curious about the White Oaks grass fed beef for a year or so (amongst other brands as well) that FTHOI recently began carrying I bought two NY strips and was very pleased. I enjoy vegetables too much to give them up, luckily for me I do not have to choose one or the other, though I support everyone's decision to do what they feel right for themselves.[/quote]

Some do not process carbs as well as others, I being one of those people. I have read that many with native American backgrounds become insulin resistant with the typical American diet. Too much fruit and my blood sugar starts going whack. I have to work hard to strike a balance with what helps me feel better. I'm very interested in the grass fed beef, as well.

I agree with Gordy and Gidget, if you want respect for the way you choose to eat, you might start respecting the ways others choose to eat.

Just in case FTHOI is out or limited in their selection or if you want to go bulk (which may be possible through them as well) here's the link for the grass fed beef my son eats.

Slanker's Grass-Fed Meats

Also, he has gotten bison and pork. I believe they have chicken too that are given the freedom to scratch in the dust and eat BUGS! Totally different animal when raised this way. Now, it is not "organic" but in my book it is good enough - no hormones or antibiotics and the animals are allowed to roam free. (btw, cage free on cartons of eggs in Walmart is a joke (there is no legal definition of ?cage-free,? and a cage-free hen is not necessarily a free hen running about a pasture. Often, cage-free hens are running around crowded barns, with little or no access to the outdoors.) But you can be confident in the local eggs sold at FTHOI. Those chickens have a great life.

I am reading iWant by my old roommate Jane Velez Mitchell. (anchor of Issues on CNN's HLN) She is a huge animal rights advocate. She was part of the passage of Prop 2 in CA in 08. And here's what they wanted:

Farm animals MUST have the room to stretch their limbs, turn around and lie down.
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Can you imagine your dog not being able to stretch, turn around or lie down!!! Same thing goes for a pig or a cow or a chicken. The factory farm industry spent millions of dollars trying to defeat this modest proposal to treat farm animals with basic decency. That says LOADS about factory farming.

So when we buy bacon or eggs or steak from the usual sources, that is what we are supporting.

G

 

[Susan Horn]

Twin Oaks Farms (at Seaside Farmer's Market every Saturday) sells free range pastured chickens that only receive organic feed; also they have eggs laid by these happy chickens, and duck eggs too. We were there for Farm Day yestertday, building an herb spiral, and you never saw so many happy free chickens. They have free roaming every day of almost 100 acres of pasture. Those eggs and chickens taste so much better than the usual kind, even the organic kind you can buy in grocery stores.

I think FTHOI sells Twin Oaks eggs...

 

[Bobby J]

Anyone with blood sugar levels that are out of whack would be wise to give up caffeine. Amazing how so many do not make that connection and blame certain foods though. Caffeine can really do a number on blood sugar. Glad you made the connection.

G

I made the connection years ago but struggle with the disconnection.

Gave up alcohol 10 years ago and java became my social connection. "My drug of choice." I am trying to get my head ready for the disconnect.