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SHELLY

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We stupidly started taking sips on the weird voice inflections and "adorable" facial expressions. It is a wonder I can pucking type.

A buddy of mine chose with the word "maverick"...I'm sending this from the emergency room on my blackberry--I just phoned for a priest as they're pumping the alcohol out of his stomach. (It was that last rant from Biden that really done him in!)

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futurebeachbum

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I guess you missed the thread about Bill Clinton pronouncing it the same way.

Linguistically speaking there's an interesting page at Berkley that discusses this pronunciation and also whether or not W is doing it on purpose as well.

I like the faux-bubba explanation. Pronunciations like that probably do resonate with the kind of folks who have "hot water heaters" in their homes and trailers.

a little bit from the page:

But it isn't always easy to tell whether an error is a typo or a thinko. Take the pronunciation of nuclear as "nucular." That one has been getting on people's nerves since Eisenhower made the mispronunciation famous in the 1950's. In Woody Allen's 1989 film Crimes and Misdemeanors, the Mia Farrow character says she could never fall for any man who says "nucular." That would have ruled out not just Dubya, but Bill Clinton, who said the word right only about half the time. (President Carter had his own way of saying the word, as "newkeeuh," but that probably had more to do with his Georgia accent than his ignorance of English spelling.)

On the face of things, "nucular" is a typo par excellence. People sometimes talk about Bush "stumbling" over the word, as if this were the same kind of articulatory problem that turns February into "febyooary." But nuclear isn't a hard word to pronounce the way February is -- try saying each of them three times fast. Phonetically, in fact, nuclear is pretty much the same as likelier, and nobody ever gets that one wrong. ("The first outcome was likular than the second"? ) That "nucular" pronunciation is really what linguists call a folk etymology, where the unfamiliar word nuclear is treated as if it had the same suffix as words like molecular and particular. It's the same sort of process that turns lackadaisical into "laxadaisical" and chaise longue into chaise lounge.
That accounts for Eisenhower's mispronunciation of nuclear, back at a time when the word was a new addition to ordinary people's vocabularies. And it's why Homer Simpson says it as "nucular" even today. But it doesn't explain why you still hear "nucular" from people like politicians, military people, and weapons specialists, most of whom obviously know better and have been reminded repeatedly what the correct pronunciation is. The interesting thing is that these people are perfectly capable of saying "nuclear families" or "nuclear medicine." I once asked a weapons specialist at a federal agency about this, and he told me, "Oh, I only say 'nucular' when I'm talking about nukes."

In the mouths of those people, "nucular" is a choice, not an inadvertent mistake -- a thinko, not a typo. I'm not sure exactly what they have in mind by it. Maybe it appeals to them to refer to the weapons in what seems like a folksy and familiar way, or maybe it's a question of asserting their authority -- as if to say, "We're the ones with our fingers on the button, and we'll pronounce the word however we damn well please."

But which of these stories explains why Bush says "nucular"? Most people seem to assume he's just one of those bubbas who don't know any better. But that's hard to credit. After all, Bush didn't have to learn the word nuclear in middle age, the way Eisenhower did. He must have heard it said correctly thousands of times when he was growing up -- not just at Andover, Yale, and Harvard, but from his own father, who never seems to have had any trouble with the word. But if Bush's "nucular" is a deliberate choice, is it something he picked up from the Pentagon wise guys? Or is it a faux-bubba pronunciation, the sort of thing he might have started doing at Yale by way of playing the Texas yahoo to all those earnest Eastern dweebs?​
 

traderx

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The folks at Berkeley have too much time on their hands. What an arrogant a**.

[SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]Nunberg's most recent book is Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show (PublicAffairs, July, 2006). It was named one of the ten best books of the year by the Washington Monthly. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=-1]Let's see, is it Berk-ah-lee, Berk-e-lee or Berk-lee? Maybe Nunberg's next book will discuss his employer.[/SIZE]
 

futurebeachbum

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The folks at Berkeley have too much time on their hands. What an arrogant a**.
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I've always been under the impression that such attitudes and behaviors were actually a prerequisite for employment at Berkeley.
 

Santiago

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I heard someone on talk radio referencing a joke about Bush's pronounciation of the word. He, Bush, asked Kim Jung Il if North Korea had nukular weapons to which KJI replied no. A reporter then followed up by asking "Are you saying that North Korea doesn't have nuclear weapons?" to which KJI replied, "Oh, nuclear weapons, we have them out the wazoo."
 

Bob

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Linguistically speaking there's an interesting page at Berkley that discusses this pronunciation and also whether or not W is doing it on purpose as well.

I like the faux-bubba explanation. Pronunciations like that probably do resonate with the kind of folks who have "hot water heaters" in their homes and trailers.

a little bit from the page:

But it isn't always easy to tell whether an error is a typo or a thinko. Take the pronunciation of nuclear as "nucular." That one has been getting on people's nerves since Eisenhower made the mispronunciation famous in the 1950's. In Woody Allen's 1989 film Crimes and Misdemeanors, the Mia Farrow character says she could never fall for any man who says "nucular." That would have ruled out not just Dubya, but Bill Clinton, who said the word right only about half the time. (President Carter had his own way of saying the word, as "newkeeuh," but that probably had more to do with his Georgia accent than his ignorance of English spelling.)

On the face of things, "nucular" is a typo par excellence. People sometimes talk about Bush "stumbling" over the word, as if this were the same kind of articulatory problem that turns February into "febyooary." But nuclear isn't a hard word to pronounce the way February is -- try saying each of them three times fast. Phonetically, in fact, nuclear is pretty much the same as likelier, and nobody ever gets that one wrong. ("The first outcome was likular than the second"? ) That "nucular" pronunciation is really what linguists call a folk etymology, where the unfamiliar word nuclear is treated as if it had the same suffix as words like molecular and particular. It's the same sort of process that turns lackadaisical into "laxadaisical" and chaise longue into chaise lounge.
That accounts for Eisenhower's mispronunciation of nuclear, back at a time when the word was a new addition to ordinary people's vocabularies. And it's why Homer Simpson says it as "nucular" even today. But it doesn't explain why you still hear "nucular" from people like politicians, military people, and weapons specialists, most of whom obviously know better and have been reminded repeatedly what the correct pronunciation is. The interesting thing is that these people are perfectly capable of saying "nuclear families" or "nuclear medicine." I once asked a weapons specialist at a federal agency about this, and he told me, "Oh, I only say 'nucular' when I'm talking about nukes."

In the mouths of those people, "nucular" is a choice, not an inadvertent mistake -- a thinko, not a typo. I'm not sure exactly what they have in mind by it. Maybe it appeals to them to refer to the weapons in what seems like a folksy and familiar way, or maybe it's a question of asserting their authority -- as if to say, "We're the ones with our fingers on the button, and we'll pronounce the word however we damn well please."

But which of these stories explains why Bush says "nucular"? Most people seem to assume he's just one of those bubbas who don't know any better. But that's hard to credit. After all, Bush didn't have to learn the word nuclear in middle age, the way Eisenhower did. He must have heard it said correctly thousands of times when he was growing up -- not just at Andover, Yale, and Harvard, but from his own father, who never seems to have had any trouble with the word. But if Bush's "nucular" is a deliberate choice, is it something he picked up from the Pentagon wise guys? Or is it a faux-bubba pronunciation, the sort of thing he might have started doing at Yale by way of playing the Texas yahoo to all those earnest Eastern dweebs?​
Regular folks mangling the word February and nuclear is not an issue. The president saying "nookuler" on worldwide media is an embarrassment and is a failure to give any weight to public perception.
 

Blair

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Is it PAH-KA-STON like Obama says it or Pak - eh - stan like the rest of the world says it????

This is really getting ridiculous......:roll:

Now the "both are acceptable" crowd starts in 3....2.....1....:D
 

traderx

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Many of us are victims of sorts of where and how we grew up. I grew up in South Georgia. We were taught to murder a few words here and there. What I object to is the incessant put-down of Southerners by the......well......elitists.

But which of these stories explains why Bush says "nucular"? Most people seem to assume he's just one of those bubbas who don't know any better. But that's hard to credit. After all, Bush didn't have to learn the word nuclear in middle age, the way Eisenhower did. He must have heard it said correctly thousands of times when he was growing up -- not just at Andover, Yale, and Harvard, but from his own father, who never seems to have had any trouble with the word. But if Bush's "nucular" is a deliberate choice, is it something he picked up from the Pentagon wise guys? Or is it a faux-bubba pronunciation, the sort of thing he might have started doing at Yale by way of playing the Texas yahoo to all those earnest Eastern dweebs?


Lordy, lordy...

Why not pick on Brooklynese? "Yoose guys"...

Or the way my many good friends in Bahston pronounced "pierced ears"?

To say it correctly, just say the letters: P S D S

I don't care how a candidate or President pronounces the word nuclear.

For that matter, Obama pronounces Taliban as tal-ee-ban instead of tal-uh-ban.

Does that embarass anyone or insult your sensibilities?

Where the hail is Lewis Grizzard when you need him?
 
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