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wrobert

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I'd like to note that the legislation was printed on paper, not carved in stone. I think rather than a knee jerk reaction to repeal it completely Congress should work to make it better. Before we get partisan I'd be fine with repeal if there were a better plan on the table, but I'd prefer we try to fix the nose we got before cutting it off.


I was speaking to a prior legislator about Marti Coley's position on SB6 and how she felt since it would be a few years before it was implemented, if it had passed, that it could be fixed. His thoughts after 8 years of doing this was you better get it right the first time or plan on scrapping it if you can, and starting over. Trying to change something already passed caused everyone involved to extort a vote for their favorite project in order for you to get a vote to even bring things back up for discussion. And what one may agree to change, the next guy would only help if you agree to leave that part alone. I think the whole thing is a no win situation.
 

scooterbug44

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I've said this before but I will continue to reiterate it. Whether its Tuscany or England, obviously many supporting universal health care have never lived under it. I have. I don't want it in the manner it has been passed. We don't have any idea of all of the ramifications of the bill. If you think care will not be "rationed" you have another think coming. Sure, they'll call it something else but us elderly and the ones with costly disease and health issues such as cancer will be the one's who will suffer. I hope I am wrong but I would much rather see our system correct its present ills such as tort reform, insuring those with pre-existing conditions and not allowing cancellation of one's policy once they become sick. The present attempt at reformed healtcare is a monstrocity according to everything I have read or observed.

I find it interesting that you are so against government health care reform and think it will lead to rationing.

Don't you and your wife currently get all your health care through the government because you are a veteran/older? :dunno:

How are the VA and Medicare good, but government health care bad?
 
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Rita

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Maddow stating her case that the election is not about deficit spending, big government, the stimulus, TARP, economic populism, being political outsiders, or Obamacare - like the media is reporting as explanations for the success of extreme right candidates.
"We're just about to elect a whole bunch of extremists"

Rachel Maddow Show



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30ashopper

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What makes you so sure that this legislation was 'brought down' on the insurance or pharma industries? They are going to make a boatload of money out of this.

Good point. Heck they basically wrote most of the bill from what I've read.

The bill did nothing to get rid of the ridiculous pharma bargaining restraints put on the federal government by the Medicare Drug Plan. It also did nothing to tackle torte reform. Beyond that, it gave the insurance companies plenty of time to discontinue things that won't be as profitable in the future (like children-only policies and pre-existing conditions.)

Another good set of points.

I would expect that the bulk of the bill was drafted by and for industry insiders. We know that no one in Congress bothered to even skim it before voting for it.

Yep, agreed.
 

30ashopper

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Maddow stating her case that the election is not about deficit spending, big government, the stimulus, TARP, economic populism, being political outsiders, or Obamacare - like the media is reporting as explanations for the success of extreme right candidates.
"We're just about to elect a whole bunch of extremists"

Rachel Maddow Show



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From Maddow's perspective, they might be extremists. But I'm going to bet a vast majority of the populace would argue Maddow fits that description far better than the tea partiers.
 

Matt J

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I find it interesting that you are so against government health care reform and think it will lead to rationing.

Don't you and your wife currently get all your health care through the government because you are a veteran/older? :dunno:

How are the VA and Medicare good, but government health care bad?

I've read the constitution and bill of rights several times, but I can't seem to find the "ex-military" gets special rights clause. It seems to be a level playing field, but then I don't have the gun...
 

Andy A

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Feb 28, 2007
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I find it interesting that you are so against government health care reform and think it will lead to rationing.

Don't you and your wife currently get all your health care through the government because you are a veteran/older? :dunno:

How are the VA and Medicare good, but government health care bad?
Let me see if I can answer this without totally losing my temper, since it seems to be the usual progressive response to those who have earned something, anything, on their own and now have no choice but to accept it in the form in which it is administered.
Yes, my wife and I are covered by Tricare and Medicare. That does not necessarily mean that I approve of Medicare as it is today because much can be done to improve it or change it.
Now, to the main difference between Veteran's care, which BTW, could be vastly improved and Obamacare. Veteran's, due to illness such as those caused by Agent Orange, wounds caused by bullets and disease caused by serving in places devoid of US health standards are entitled to medical care that was promised to them upon their enlistment to serve their country.
Obamacare will give healthcare to everyone whether they deserve it or not, including the illigals and the undeserving. I am not talking about those who cannot fend for themselves. They deserve such consideration. In my day and age it was called "charity and caring for those unable to do so themselves". Today, it has reached the poing of "gimme, gimme, gimme, because I am entitled to it since I was born". As you can readily ascertain, my viewpoint is much different from yours and SWGB's in that I think healthcare and benefits in general are something you earn, not something handed to you because you exist. I imagine your father feels much the same way from what I read in your posts.
Yes, I think many now served by our healthcare system will not be in the future. It is my firm opinion, and my wife's, who served as an RN and Utilization and Review specialist for medical insurance, that instead of raising the standard of medical care for all, we will reduce it to a level of mediocrity never before seen in medical care in the United States.
 

scooterbug44

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Not saying I think Medicare can't be improved, or that the recent reform bill is perfect by any means, I just thought you had posted in an earlier discussion that you thought the VA doctors did a good job taking care of your wife and it seemed at odds with your concerns about death squads and rationed care.

I am not understanding how come Medicare (aka government healthcare) works great, and it's political suicide to mess with it, but Obamacare is going to cause Armageddon. :dunno:

So far all I have heard firsthand regarding the much vilified Obamacare is that many people can now get health insurance who couldn't before. My college roommate works in a Texas hospital and says there haven't been any major issues.

Since I was lucky enough to have health insurance, it hasn't affected me one bit so far - I have the same doctors, health insurance provider etc.
 

Andy A

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My wife is not taken care of by VA doctors nor am I. Her oncologist is right here at Sacred Heart hospital and is super good, IMO. My family doctor is also located at Sacred Heart. My direct dealings with VA medical care have been minimal at best and completely satisfactory. May I respectfully suggest you talk to more than one doctor about what's about to come down the pike to see how they feel. Maybe all mine are just out of touch conservatives but I don't think so.
 

Matt J

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My wife is not taken care of by VA doctors nor am I. Her oncologist is right here at Sacred Heart hospital and is super good, IMO. My family doctor is also located at Sacred Heart. My direct dealings with VA medical care have been minimal at best and completely satisfactory. May I respectfully suggest you talk to more than one doctor about what's about to come down the pike to see how they feel. Maybe all mine are just out of touch conservatives but I don't think so.

My doctor is fine with it.
 
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