Progressive Conservatives

[30ashopper]

There were a lot of people who felt, and some probably still feel strongly about women having the right to vote and blacks having any freedoms at all, should we go back and revisit these areas like abortion which is settled law?
Not everything is decided by a majority.

I've spoken to a number of conservatives about this, all feel equal rights for blacks were clearly addressed in the Constitution, non feel abortion rights are, so it's not settled law at all.

 

[30ashopper]

Speaking of which, I was just searching around and couldn't find a single poll on our prop 2, has anybody seen one?

Doesn't look like it'll pass -

In Florida, a Mason-Dixon poll taken in early October shows 55 percent supporting the marriage amendment, and 34 percent against. However, this measure requires 60 percent to pass.

 

[poppy]

I've spoken to a number of conservatives about this, all feel equal rights for blacks was clearly in the Constitution, non feel abortion rights are, so it's not settled law at all.

Where in the Constitution does it say Gays can't have the same rights as the rest of us? Why should they be not be able to pursue happiness? I don't believe Gays should be forced to live by the mores of some other group.

 

[30ashopper]

Where in the Constitution does it say Gays can't have the same rights as the rest of us? Why should they be not be able to pursue happiness? I don't believe Gays should be forced to live by the mores of some other group.

I was talking about abortion and the Constitution but, as far as gay marriage is concerned, there's nothing in the Constitution that addresses sexual preference and equal rights. Women voting rights, voter age requirements, and the abolishment of slavery were enacted as Constitutional amendments. No doubt equal rights for homosexuals will require the same if we approach the problem correctly. It's also important to remember that the Constitution on this matter holds no sway over the states - they are free to pass whatever laws they want. Therein lies some of the complexities, as the Constitution does requre states to respect the laws of other states. The simplest solution would be an amendment that clearly states equal rights irregardless of sexual preference. A similar amendment, the Equal Rights Amendment attempted to do the same based on sex.

 

[idlewind]

I bet there are many in Alaska who wish she would leave and stay gone.

20% I guess since her approval ratings are 80%. Real unpopular that Palin.

 

[idlewind]

Where in the Constitution does it say Gays can't have the same rights as the rest of us? Why should they be not be able to pursue happiness? I don't believe Gays should be forced to live by the mores of some other group.

Nobody cares if they live how they want to live. I don't care what they do as long as they do it in the privacy of their own existence. I do not want their lifestyle rammed down my throat however.

 

[LuciferSam]

I was talking about abortion and the Constitution but, as far as gay marriage is concerned, there's nothing in the Constitution that addresses sexual preference and equal rights. Women voting rights, voter age requirements, and the abolishment of slavery were enacted as Constitutional amendments. No doubt equal rights for homosexuals will require the same if we approach the problem correctly. It's also important to remember that the Constitution on this matter holds no sway over the states - they are free to pass whatever laws they want. Therein lies some of the complexities, as the Constitution does requre states to respect the laws of other states. The simplest solution would be an amendment that clearly states equal rights irregardless of sexual preference. A similar amendment, the Equal Rights Amendment attempted to do the same based on sex.

When you really think about it, we shouldn't have needed an amendment to the constitution to abolish slavery or give women voting rights. Nowhere in the constitution prior to the amendments did it state that blacks and women were second class citizens who should be denied equal rights [Edit: I stand corected on slavery issue, see below]. The fact is that they were denied inherent rights that the constitution was supposed to guarantee them at its inception. The same argument could be made for gays who want to marry. The idea of amending the constitution to enforce a specific basic human right rather than simply enforcing the existing constitution and properly interpreting it has always baffled me.

 

[idlewind]

When you really think about it, we shouldn't have needed an amendment to the constitution to abolish slavery or give women voting rights. Nowhere in the constitution prior to the amendments did it state that blacks and women were second class citizens who should be denied equal rights. The fact is that they were denied inherent rights that the constitution was supposed to guarantee them at its inception. The same argument could be made for gays who want to marry. The idea of amending the constitution to enforce a specific basic human right rather than simply enforcing the existing constitution and properly interpreting it has always baffled me.

You are right about women's rights, it was state laws that prohibited women from voting. But slavery was recognized in the Constitution, in fact slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a person for the purposes of detirmining congressional representation.

 

[LuciferSam]

You are right about women's rights, it was state laws that prohibited women from voting. But slavery was recognized in the Constitution, in fact slaves were counted as 3/5ths of a person for the purposes of detirmining congressional representation.

OK, well I stand corrected on slavery if that's the case. That was terrible.

 

[idlewind]

OK, well I stand corrected on slavery if that's the case. That was terrible.

Everyone would agree I hope that this was not one of our finer moments. Thousands lost their lives to correct that mistake.