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savvytangerine

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Jul 5, 2007
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Thank you JDarg and WaltonGOP for working towards a solution on this! :clap:

I look forward to hearing what you find out WaltonGOP!
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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Everyone needs to walk around on the top of a working landfill at least once. I have photos somewhere. It is awakening.
 

NotDeadYet

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Jul 7, 2007
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Recycling is so feel good but economically such a looser that many places that were doing it, N.Y.C. for example, have stopped. It just cost more than the pay back. Do you really think your trash is worth $ 85 a year per house that it will cost to pick up. The county could spend that money better on something else IMO.

This post completely misses the point. Recycling is intended to reduce consumption of finite resources, like the oil that goes into plastics manufacturing.
It would not cost more if the true costs of producing goods were included in the final price of those goods. That is the flaw in using a market based analysis to decide whether something is really an economic looser. Your basic Chinese toaster includes nothing whatsoever for the very expensive cleanup that China is going to have to undertake one of these days, maybe when its rivers catch on fire. And that is just one little example. :angry:
 

Furthur

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Jan 21, 2008
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Spending $85 x 10.000 households to recover maybe a hundred thousand in recyclables just doesn't compute for me.
Especially in a county that has just cut back it's Meals on Wheels for lack of funds.
We don't even have a community center here in So Wal , or lots of other things.
If you want to do something to help the environment pave the roads. All of that erosion is killing the bay.
Keep the recycling effort voluntary. It is working fine thanks to all of the good people who support it.
We have much more pressing needs and precious little money to do it with.
 

Jdarg

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Feb 15, 2005
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Spending $85 x 10.000 households to recover maybe a hundred thousand in recyclables just doesn't compute for me.
Especially in a county that has just cut back it's Meals on Wheels for lack of funds.
We don't even have a community center here in So Wal , or lots of other things.
If you want to do something to help the environment pave the roads. All of that erosion is killing the bay.
Keep the recycling effort voluntary. It is working fine thanks to all of the good people who support it.
We have much more pressing needs and precious little money to do it with.

Your post is making me think about our community as a whole, and the programs and services that we need now or will need in the future as we grow even more.

Has there ever been an effort to identify these programs and services that are vital parts of communities, and make a list of what we need here now and in the future?

Obviously, the programs you mentioned- community center, meals on wheels. Public swimming pool/water safety programs.
 

scooterbug44

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May 8, 2007
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This post completely misses the point. Recycling is intended to reduce consumption of finite resources, like the oil that goes into plastics manufacturing.
It would not cost more if the true costs of producing goods were included in the final price of those goods. That is the flaw in using a market based analysis to decide whether something is really an economic looser. Your basic Chinese toaster includes nothing whatsoever for the very expensive cleanup that China is going to have to undertake one of these days, maybe when its rivers catch on fire. And that is just one little example. :angry:

The Jan 2008 Nat'l Geographic has several good articles on what happens to old electronics and recycling basics.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/archives.html
 

Smiling JOe

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Nov 18, 2004
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If you want to do something to help the environment pave the roads. All of that erosion is killing the bay.
Wow! I've never heard of this perspective of making and laying asphalt as being environmentally good for the earth.
 

JustaLocal

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Jul 11, 2007
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The Jan 2008 Nat'l Geographic has several good articles on what happens to old electronics and recycling basics.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/archives.html

I was impressed with this article as well. It convinces me we need a better system. I think the best would be for places that sell electronics, fluorescent bulbs, and batteries should have to take back at least as much as they distribute.
 

NotDeadYet

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Jul 7, 2007
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My toaster is clean up free, and still going strong since new in 1988, twenty years.
Where was it made??


Especially in a county that has just cut back it's Meals on Wheels for lack of funds.
We don't even have a community center here in So Wal , or lots of other things.
This misses the point also. The 1% sales tax is specifically allocated to the landfill. The cuts to other programs were cuts from general revenue. It is not a choice between a meals program or a recycling program.
And besides, reducing the amount of trash buried in the landfill will reduce the amount of land needed in the future. A real cost analysis would be interesting. I bet it would not show that recycling is the loser some people think it is, when you take all the long term factors into consideration.
 
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