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30A Skunkape

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Jan 18, 2006
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So it looks like there was more than one gun massacre within the last 24 hours, the second occuring in Germany. I think the German body count was higher. Would those who advocate gun control care to compare and contrast German and American gun laws?
 

dgsevier

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So it looks like there was more than one gun massacre within the last 24 hours, the second occuring in Germany. I think the German body count was higher. Would those who advocate gun control care to compare and contrast German and American gun laws?

Below is some info I gleaned from another site. I cannot confirm the info below but I found it interesting if, in fact, is accurate.

There are a few ways to get a permit to own guns in Germany:

a) You can prove that you are in much higher danger than the rest of the society and need a gun for self-defense. IIRC, there are less than 20,000 carry permits in Germany, most of them probably in the hands of security services. Carry license = Waffenschein, "grey card"

b1) You want to become kind of an expert witness and need the guns to gain the necessary knowledge.
b2) You want to become a collector - difficult. You might get a permit for guns of value for cultural history. These permits cover a special "subject". I don't know much about this, but we have at least two collectors in our club, one collecting "handguns of the German police forces", the other collecting "German service rifles". AFAIK, you have to begin before WW1 and then collect your way until you reach contemporary guns. I doubt one would be granted a permit with the subject "handguns with polymer frames" or "semi-auto rifles in .223". Collector's license = Sammlerkarte, "red card"

c) You become a hunter. Now, hunting is a very serious matter in Germany! ;) Becoming a hunter in Germany in both time consuming and expensive. From what I hear from the hunters I know it takes about a year and costs a couple a thousand Euros.

d) You become a sports shooter. That's probably the easiest and most convenient way. You have to prove:
- A clean background, though I don't know how they do this in case of foreigners. But basically foreigners CAN get a license.
- Your practical and theoretical knowledge regarding guns and gun-laws. It used to be something like course taking two to four evenings with a multiple-choice test and a practical exam showing you can safely handle a gun, point out different calibers, etc.
- That you have been "regularly and successfully" practising for twelve months according to the rules of an approved shooting association.

An SOP could be:
- You find a club near you. There will be one, whereever you go, just have to look for them. There are more than 30 in greater Stuttgart e.g..
- Shoot as a guest. So you can see if the club fits your interests. Some clubs concentrate on different disciplines/types of guns/ranges.
- Become a member.
- Shoot about twice a month for a year.
- Apply for your license.

There are two licenses for sports shooters. The "sports-shooters license" ("yellow card") for multiple-shot muzzle loaders (mostly revolvers), non-semi-auto rifles, single-shot shotguns (including over-unders and SxS), single-shot pistols. The "green card" for any other gun: semi-auto pistols, revolvers, semi-auto rifles and shotguns, pump-action shotguns.
In both cases you have to prove your "need" for the guns. In case of the yellow card you only have to prove your need for the first entry in the card. In case of the green card you have to prove your need for every single gun.
 

Lynnie

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Apr 18, 2007
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Below is some info I gleaned from another site. I cannot confirm the info below but I found it interesting if, in fact, is accurate.

There are a few ways to get a permit to own guns in Germany:

a) You can prove that you are in much higher danger than the rest of the society and need a gun for self-defense. IIRC, there are less than 20,000 carry permits in Germany, most of them probably in the hands of security services. Carry license = Waffenschein, "grey card"

b1) You want to become kind of an expert witness and need the guns to gain the necessary knowledge.
b2) You want to become a collector - difficult. You might get a permit for guns of value for cultural history. These permits cover a special "subject". I don't know much about this, but we have at least two collectors in our club, one collecting "handguns of the German police forces", the other collecting "German service rifles". AFAIK, you have to begin before WW1 and then collect your way until you reach contemporary guns. I doubt one would be granted a permit with the subject "handguns with polymer frames" or "semi-auto rifles in .223". Collector's license = Sammlerkarte, "red card"

c) You become a hunter. Now, hunting is a very serious matter in Germany! ;) Becoming a hunter in Germany in both time consuming and expensive. From what I hear from the hunters I know it takes about a year and costs a couple a thousand Euros.

d) You become a sports shooter. That's probably the easiest and most convenient way. You have to prove:
- A clean background, though I don't know how they do this in case of foreigners. But basically foreigners CAN get a license.
- Your practical and theoretical knowledge regarding guns and gun-laws. It used to be something like course taking two to four evenings with a multiple-choice test and a practical exam showing you can safely handle a gun, point out different calibers, etc.
- That you have been "regularly and successfully" practising for twelve months according to the rules of an approved shooting association.

An SOP could be:
- You find a club near you. There will be one, whereever you go, just have to look for them. There are more than 30 in greater Stuttgart e.g..
- Shoot as a guest. So you can see if the club fits your interests. Some clubs concentrate on different disciplines/types of guns/ranges.
- Become a member.
- Shoot about twice a month for a year.
- Apply for your license.

There are two licenses for sports shooters. The "sports-shooters license" ("yellow card") for multiple-shot muzzle loaders (mostly revolvers), non-semi-auto rifles, single-shot shotguns (including over-unders and SxS), single-shot pistols. The "green card" for any other gun: semi-auto pistols, revolvers, semi-auto rifles and shotguns, pump-action shotguns.
In both cases you have to prove your "need" for the guns. In case of the yellow card you only have to prove your need for the first entry in the card. In case of the green card you have to prove your need for every single gun.

Interesting info.

Now, can we compare and contrast with the French?
I went to the history museum and there was an exhibit on guns. Everybody loved the French guns, beautiful and sleek.....but, quite charmingly, none of the firing mechanisms worked properly. :lol:
 

traderx

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Mar 25, 2008
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And here we have the French Army Knife...

french_army_knife.jpg
 

Matt J

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May 9, 2007
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Bingo on the assault rifle and the meth.

Unfortunately this tragedy has hit very close to home for me so I really don't have the stomach to make light of it anymore.
 

Bob

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where are all you ak47 loving wackjobs now that one of your own went rogue? still think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to pretend you're in the army? how many massacres will it take for you to reexamine your juvenile defense of your "freedom" to blast the crap out of whatever you brought in your truck while out in the woods without having to reload for 30 to 100 rounds? can you put your charlton heston inflatable doll down long enough to type out some stupidity on a keyboard?
 

6thGen

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Aug 22, 2005
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where are all you ak47 loving wackjobs now that one of your own went rogue? still think the 2nd amendment gives you the right to pretend you're in the army?

Yes, it does. Again, from Hamilton, the ak47 loving wackjob, "If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights". If you want serious debate, see post #63. You might also want to rectify how gun control is controlling violent crime in Europe. I know it's much easier to characterize those of us that support limited government control as wackjobs, rednecks, juvenile, and sexual deviants, but carry on if you like.
 

30A Skunkape

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I think a Constitutional amendment that banned 'quiet people who kept to themselves' would probably be just as effective (and easy to enforce) as a ban on 'assault rifles' in the effort to eliminate spectacular gun crimes.
 
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