Schism in the Democratic Congress over the Second Amendment

[Bob]

i enjoyed the debate skunkape o' 30a! everyone has a point here. the lowest common denominator in society usually limits freedom of the good folks. i want the hi-cap stuff to be harder to own.

 

[poppy]

National security would be a smart place to draw the line. Weapons that have technology in them our enemies might want to disect should not be available for public purchase.

As far as destructive power, who says restricting the purchase of an automatic weapon makes us safer? I can build a bomb using household and farming related products that can destroy a city block, a large building, or worse. The weapon is not the issue, it's the person wielding the weapon that's the problem.

Which isn't to say that I think RPG's should or will be sold on street corners. The NRA simply defends against the slipery sloap. It's the same reason why hard core right to choicers defend late term abortions - they may not agree it's right, but they defend it all the same so that the battle lines are clearly drawn in their favor.

This is my point, you may be a responsible person with no desire to use your arsenal for evil. But how do you screen the radicals bent on destroying their fellow man? If weapons with great destructive power are available to you they will be available to those with twisted minds. How do we balance your freedom against their desire to do harm?

This is an absurd argument. How can you ban something that is already illegal to own?


I don't care about preserving firearm freedom. I don't own a gun, nor do I really care to own one, nor am I in the NRA or think a bunch of yahoos with pistols constitute a militia. What I do care about is politicians whipping people into a frenzy with resultant passing of needless and difficult to enforce laws. What I don't think you guys understand is the sheer number of firearms that are 'out there' and the expense required to account for them. We sure as heck don't need yet another black hole to dump taxes down analogous to 'the war on drugs'.

Take the 50 cal. single shot rifle, is it illegal to own, and if not what possible use could one have for a weapon capable of striking an aircraft in the sky? And isn't part of the NRA argument is that we need to own these weapons because the criminals have them. You state that "all the laws in the world will never prevent insane people from acting on their disorganized thoughts". I agree but why give them access to the weapons to carry out these thoughts. Guns may not kill people, but guns make it a hell of lot easier.

 

[30A Skunkape]

This is my point, you may be a responsible person with no desire to use your arsenal for evil. But how do you screen the radicals bent on destroying their fellow man? If weapons with great destructive power are available to you they will be available to those with twisted minds. How do we balance your freedom against their desire to do harm?




Take the 50 cal. single shot rifle, is it illegal to own, and if not what possible use could one have for a weapon capable of striking an aircraft in the sky? And isn't part of the NRA argument is that we need to own these weapons because the criminals have them. You state that "all the laws in the world will never prevent insane people from acting on their disorganized thoughts". I agree but why give them access to the weapons to carry out these thoughts. Guns may not kill people, but guns make it a hell of lot easier.

I don't know what the NRA's argument is regarding 50 caliber rifles, but in reference to the utility of said gun when they are capable of hitting an airplane, I would worry about people shooting airplanes with guns when people start shooting airplanes with guns. Laws already exist to deter people from doing dumb things with guns. Sure guns are deadly weapons, but gun violence is down now relative to 15 years ago-why do you feel the need to pass more laws?

 

[30A Skunkape]

i enjoyed the debate skunkape o' 30a! everyone has a point here. the lowest common denominator in society usually limits freedom of the good folks. i want the hi-cap stuff to be harder to own.

You are alright Robert O'rlando. Remember, it IS harder for those who would do dastardly things with guns to own them, that is why they turn to the black market to obtain them.

 

[poppy]

I don't know what the NRA's argument is regarding 50 caliber rifles, but in reference to the utility of said gun when they are capable of hitting an airplane, I would worry about people shooting airplanes with guns when people start shooting airplanes with guns. Laws already exist to deter people from doing dumb things with guns. Sure guns are deadly weapons, but gun violence is down now relative to 15 years ago-why do you feel the need to pass more laws?

So why not worry about "the government" confiscating hunting rifles when "the government" starts confiscating hunting rifles?

When have I asked for more laws? I just want the existing laws better defined. Some on the left want a limit while some on the right want no limit at all. I want to find the middle ground so gun owners can enjoy their sport and the rest of us can feel relatively safe.

 

[poppy]

i enjoyed the debate skunkape o' 30a! everyone has a point here. the lowest common denominator in society usually limits freedom of the good folks. i want the hi-cap stuff to be harder to own.

I believe this what we all want but where does the hi-cap stuff begin is what I would like the gun rights people to answer. I do not want a limit on sporting weapons any more than they do.

 

[Bob]

I believe this what we all want but where does the hi-cap stuff begin is what I would like the gun rights people to answer. I do not want a limit on sporting weapons any more than they do.

i don't hunt deer but i believe 3-5 is what is legal....someone correct me here. although ak's are 30 cal and you can hunt deer with them, they were made to lay down a good field of fire to kill people. aks in 16 inch variety are not very accurate beyond 100 meters. its the 30-40 round banana clips, 75-100 round drums that are crazy.

 

[poppy]

Defective bullet recall-

Manufacturer Recalls Hollow Point Bullets That Fail To Explode Inside Targets | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

 

[traderx]

What's the point?

 

[Bob]

3 cops die after shooting; 1 wounded - Crime & courts- msnbc.com, Calif. - A police officer was battling for his life and three more were dead after a parolee with an "extensive criminal history" opened fire at a routine traffic stop and hours later gunned down members of a SWAT team searching for him.

The gunman was also killed Saturday, capping a day of violence that the Oakland Police Department said was the worst in its history. Never before had three police officers died in the line of duty on the same day.