Blair, you have no enemies here, we're all on the same side. ;-)We just have some minor disagreements on some issues and we have a good time discussing them.
Why I can't do it....I can't get past it.
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Blair, you have no enemies here, we're all on the same side. ;-)We just have some minor disagreements on some issues and we have a good time discussing them.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. The McRove camp will stop at nothing to smear Obama. This swift-boat tactic is old and predictable.
http://www.stopthesmears.com/site/smear/305/
http://www.stopthesmears.com/site/smear/305/
So following that logic, I guess if John McCain is further along the political spectrum to the right, that puts him closer to fascism. Is McCain a fascist?
Fishfood-
To answer your question, yes! I was very disappointed to see McCain vote for the bailout & I let my local & state elected officials know my feelings about how I wanted them to vote. There are many things about McCain I don't like. I am not a republican, nor libertarian. There are many people I think would be a better President than McCain but unfortunately we're both forced to make a decision on the lesser of two evils. In this case, it's very clear McCain is better for America in my opinion & better understands the fragile state of many nations in the world that we must deal with in the coming years. I think Obama is a socialist with radical views on education & yes, I think that's a very bad thing for America. Not only that, I fear greatly of having a House & Senate w/ a filibuster proof majority to pass any law they see fit. I would fear the same if it were any party in that position. That is a government with no checks and balances & that is a very dangerous situation for any republic to be in.
To answer your question, yes! I was very disappointed to see McCain vote for the bailout & I let my local & state elected officials know my feelings about how I wanted them to vote. There are many things about McCain I don't like. I am not a republican, nor libertarian. There are many people I think would be a better President than McCain but unfortunately we're both forced to make a decision on the lesser of two evils. In this case, it's very clear McCain is better for America in my opinion & better understands the fragile state of many nations in the world that we must deal with in the coming years. I think Obama is a socialist with radical views on education & yes, I think that's a very bad thing for America. Not only that, I fear greatly of having a House & Senate w/ a filibuster proof majority to pass any law they see fit. I would fear the same if it were any party in that position. That is a government with no checks and balances & that is a very dangerous situation for any republic to be in.
So following that logic, I guess if John McCain is further along the political spectrum to the right, that puts him closer to fascism. Is McCain a fascist?
Fascism overlays both sides of the political spectrum. Hitler for example was a socialist, and a fascist. I wouldn't describe McCain a fascist, would you?
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So following that logic, I guess if John McCain is further along the political spectrum to the right, that puts him closer to fascism. Is McCain a fascist?
You present a common misconception concerning the political spectrum; one which places fascism at one end and communism at the other. This is false as both represent total governmental control. A realistic spectrum would have fascism/communism (total government control) at one end and anarchy ( no government control) at the other. Socialism is to the left and liberterianism is to the right. Traditionally democrats to the left and republicans to the right. Bush has distorted the picture as his words indicate liberterian thought and his actions represent a dramatic increase in government ( i.e. socialism). McCain as a "moderate" republican is farther to the left than I like, but he is much closer to my thinking than Obama is.
This reminds me of the color coded threat chart at the airport...
Just kidding.
I think it would be neat to see this drawn out (continuum line). Anyone?
Fair enough, and thank you for your response. I believe this country needs radicals, though I'm not sure Obama fits that description. I suppose it depends on your point of view. From my perspective, when you can't tell the left and right apart because they all vote for the same corporate bailouts and the same wars you are in trouble.
Republicans had a lot of power for 6 years and they did very little to further their cause and very little to further the cause of the American people. Maybe they've just been unlucky, and maybe the Democrats will rue the day when the weight of responsibility fell largely on their shoulders. Time will tell.
Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.
But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.
Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."
Obama's interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."
After graduating from Columbia in 1983, Obama spent a year working for a consulting firm and then went to work for what he described as "a Ralph Nader offshoot" in Harlem.
"In search of some inspiration, I went to hear Kwame Toure, formerly Stokely Carmichael of ?ƒ¢â?€š¬?‚¦Black Panther fame, speak at Columbia," Obama wrote in "Dreams," which he published in 1995. "At the entrance to the auditorium, two women, one black, one Asian, were selling Marxist literature."
Obama supporters point out that plenty of Americans flirt with radical ideologies in college, only to join the political mainstream later in life. But Obama, who made a point of noting how "carefully" he chose his friends in college, also chose to launch his political career in the Chicago living room of Ayers, a domestic terrorist who in 2002 proclaimed: "I am a Marxist."
Also present at that meeting was Ayers' wife, fellow terrorist Bernardine Dohrn, who once gave a speech extolling socialism, communism and "Marxism-Leninism."
Obama has been widely criticized for choosing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, an anti-American firebrand, as his pastor. Wright is a purveyor of black liberation theology, which analysts say is based in part on Marxist ideas.
Few political observers go so far as to accuse Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, of being a Marxist. But Republican John McCain has been accusing Obama of espousing socialism ever since the Democrat told an Ohio plumber named Joe earlier this month that he wanted to "spread the wealth around."
Obama's running mate, Biden, recently contradicted his boss, saying: "He is not spreading the wealth around." The remark came as Biden was answering a question from a TV anchor who asked: "How is Senator Obama not being a Marxist if he intends to spread the wealth around?"
"Are you joking? Is this a joke? Or is that a real question?" an incredulous Biden shot back. "It's a ridiculous comparison."
But the debate intensified Monday with the surfacing of a 2001 radio interview in which Obama lamented the Supreme Court's inability to enact "redistribution of wealth" -- a key tenet of socialism. On Tuesday, McCain said Obama aspires to become "Redistributionist-in-Chief."
Obama has managed to cultivate the image of a political moderate in spite of his consistently liberal voting record. In 2006, he published a second memoir, "The Audacity of Hope," that leaves little doubt about his adherence to the left.
"The arguments of liberals are more often grounded in reason and fact," Obama wrote in "Audacity." "Much of what I absorbed from the sixties was filtered through my mother, who to the end of her life would proudly proclaim herself an unreconstructed liberal."
National Journal magazine ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate. The publication is far from conservative, employing such journalists as Linda Douglass, who resigned in May to become Obama's traveling press secretary.
Yes it is from an article on FoxNews so take your shots, but just as my friends from school, my running buddies in college, family and other realtionships have molded who I am and what I believe, all of these relationships of Obama certainly has made him who he is. He states it very plainly in his own book where his values come from...
Discuss...talk amongst yourselves....
Above is your original post in this thread. The title of the thread is, "Why I can't do it, why I can't get past it"...
I have good news for you and folks who think like you, my friend. Yes, you can...
Last night while Barack Obama was airing his 30 minute political message on other networks, John McCain was being interviewed by Larry King on Larry King Live (CNN)-
LARRY KING: You don't believe Barack Obama is really a socialist, do you?
JOHN MCCAIN: No.
Below is the link to a thread I posted about it. So now that we have cleared this up, go do the right thing and vote for "that one"- he who is not, according to John McCain (despite what Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber want you to think), a socialist...
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