Why Republicans make sore losers

[Geo]

All of that is probably exactly right.

However, military bases were closed. A large percentage.

Perhaps, Scbug, terrorists take the perceived path of least resistance. Numerous bombings from 1993 to 1999 specifically targeted at the United States.

Maybe in 1993 there weren't enough lives lost. Clinton/John Wayne told Americans to 'Be Calm.' It was a terrorist attack. And, he did nothing. We made those arrests through normal channels of law enforcement.

Define "large percentage"...

Perhaps and maybe means, of course, that we really don't know...

And didn't we already establish that Clinton didn't "do nothing"?

 

[Lynnie]

Define "large percentage"...

Perhaps and maybe means, of course, that we really don't know...

And didn't we already establish that Clinton didn't "do nothing"?

Geo, would you say a large percentage is more than 10%? 25%?



You are exactly right about perhaps and maybe. And, you are exactly right that you don't know. I don't either, but intelligence has shown the facts, which a prudent person can deduce to perception. As I stated yesterday, many articles have been written on this.

You established Clinton 'did something.' I established he did nothing until a few attacks had occurred.

 

[Daugette_Matt]

Bush and Cheney did not do a thing to protect americans. They made problems and trouble for the mid-east, and made it possible for them to bring their little wars to us.

How well did bush do?
Well, we had to change our way of life to fight them. The patriot act..."Agree or you are not a patriot".

Then the world economy started to fail...........which is why the WORLD TRADE CENTER was a target.
Cheney thinks this went well?

Bush and Cheney lost the war on terror. It started under Clinton, who actually took the threats seriously, and did not act frivously like W. did with Iraq. He treated our enemy like a child, and more americans died because of it.
There was initially only one enemy to america in 9-11 Osama Bin laden. Seven years later we still do not have him. That is just plain weak. One simple goal. Find a nomad in the desert. His head on a stick and we would have met no resistance in Iraq. But instead we take an unfinished mission, and add another mission and then not finish that one either.

Republicans like to bash FDR all the time.
He is the kind of president needed in war time.
He stopped attacks on american soil, during a time of war I might add. Pearl harbor was the last attack on our land until 9-11. That's a 60+ year run.
Cheney thinks that 7 years without an attack is good? He hasn't protected anything.
We got attacked and thrown into WWII and then we annihilatted our enemies. We completely destroyed Japan, and Germany, and then made life long allies out of them.
That is how you fight a war. And we did it without officially torturing anyone. We treated our enimies with integrity, and still beat the crap out of them. I think Hitler was a lot more scary than bin laden. We did not have to torture all of our German POWs.........we got info from them by feeding them.

It still bothers me that some people actaully think Bush was good for America.
He could not even lead a baseball team to the penant.
We were not attqcked because our military looked weak, we were attacked because our politcians look weak.

 

[Lynnie]

Daugette Mike, those are great opinions, too. I don't really recall any FDR bashing. From what I've read he wasn't that popular, but was elected four times??

 

[Geo]

Geo, would you say a large percentage is more than 10%? 25%?

I would reserve judgement without knowing the facts. Which ones were closed and why? What was the criteria for choosing which ones to close? What was the objective in closing any of them?

It *could* be that we weren't operating very lean, that we were wasting money, that there was overlap between bases, that technology and a myriad of factors meant that it made all the sense in the world to close 30%+ of them. And if this *was* the case then no- I would not believe that closing 10-20% of them was a large number...

I feel you are making broad judgements based solely on a number. You are citing closure of bases as support for an argument that Clinton wasn't a good Commander in Chief. That might be the case but I haven't read anything you've written as "facts" to help me draw a conclusion on the subject.

You are exactly right about perhaps and maybe. And, you are exactly right that you don't know. I don't either, but intelligence has shown the facts, which a prudent person can deduce to perception. As I stated yesterday, many articles have been written on this.

You established Clinton 'did something.' I established he did nothing until a few attacks had occurred.

What intelligence? What facts? There are numerous op ed pieces out there with differing opinions. Lots of commentary with lots of opinions...

 

[full time]

We completely destroyed Japan, and Germany, and then made life long allies out of them.
That is how you fight a war. And we did it without officially torturing anyone. We treated our enimies with integrity, and still beat the crap out of them. I think Hitler was a lot more scary than bin laden. We did not have to torture all of our German POWs.........we got info from them by feeding them.

It still bothers me that some people actaully think Bush was good for America.

Not that I'm at all upset or morally offended by our our actions, but dropping nuclear bombs on cities populated with women and children seems a strange way to treat the enemy with "integrity". But don't let that stop you, you're on a roll - particularly the part about the recent economic collapse triggering 9-11. That's a beaut! I had no idea that one of Biden's children had relocated to the area.

 

[Lynnie]

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You have great opinions, Geo! Actually, through the 80's the laws were too difficult to close 'fat, non-productive' military bases. The legislation starting loosening in 1988. The President has/had the right to approve or reject the proposals (in whole or in part) for closings and there was a committee in place making the recommendations.

So, we were attacked shortly after Clinton took office. He told us to, "Be Calm." Four months later he signed (approving) the closures of domestic and foreign US military bases....129 bases and again, he wanted more shut down.

Not that I'm at all upset or morally offended by our our actions, but dropping nuclear bombs on cities populated with women and children seems a strange way to treat the enemy with "integrity". But don't let that stop you, you're on a roll - particularly the part about the recent economic collapse triggering 9-11. That's a beaut! I had no idea that one of Biden's children had relocated to the area.

I know........Bill Clinton had nothing to do with the current mortgage mess either. Just call him John Wayne.......

 

[LuciferSam]

I knew this would degenerate into an "It's all Clinton's fault" diatribe. I'm amazed how many people want to absolve Bush of any responsibility for 9/11 when it happened on his watch, after he had been in office for nine months, and there was plenty of inteligence information to suggest an attack was imminent. If I find out today that my toaster oven is a fire hazard, I do something about it. I don't continue to use it and then put the blame on Proctor Silex when my house burns down.

 

[Lynnie]

I knew this would degenerate into an "It's all Clinton's fault" diatribe. I'm amazed how many people want to absolve Bush of any responsibility for 9/11 when it happened on his watch, after he had been in office for nine months, and there was plenty of inteligence information to suggest an attack was imminent. If I find out today that my toaster oven is a fire hazard, I do something about it. I don't continue to use it and then put the blame on Proctor Silex when my house burns down.

I agree; all President's should be held accountable. ;-)

 

[Andy A]

Not that I'm at all upset or morally offended by our our actions, but dropping nuclear bombs on cities populated with women and children seems a strange way to treat the enemy with "integrity". But don't let that stop you, you're on a roll - particularly the part about the recent economic collapse triggering 9-11. That's a beaut! I had no idea that one of Biden's children had relocated to the area.

:rofl: