I'd be interested in seeing Savethe beach's resume.
Canopy on the beach
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There was no need to elevate this conversation. It was elevated quite nicely by the 15 or so posters (with less than 50 posts) who kindly had the passion to come express their opinion. Your argument about being ganged up on was baseless just by the showing on this thread by wonderful tourists who care deeply about our beaches and the environment.
I think so...
OMFG this is the best thing I've found on the internet all day. JohnR will be drooling.
I believe we are currently infested with the following:
The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice – all the while continuing to respond to them.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
Contrarian warning sign behaviors may be shared by other breeds.
The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice – all the while continuing to respond to them.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
Contrarian warning sign behaviors may be shared by other breeds.
hmmm....I'm starting to rethink my numbers. 20% seems low, I would think it would be more like 35%.
And if you factor in the time of day, say around lunch, I think that number would go up to 80%.
I can't wait to see the pictures.
I have to say, I am a reformed tent person. Until 3 years ago we used to leave it up, we didn't know any better. Now, if we want shade, we get beach service. This year, I made my son move his chair from under the umbrella because the cooler was in the sun.
I do think its great that the word is getting out. Having said that, I think there are a lot of local people who work on the beach that need to help spread the news. When I told one family of the rules, they told me the lifeguard said it was ok and they were going to leave it up.
I'm with you KT. very curious about the outcome of SJ's beach/tent observations. I am fairly sure most tents will be with no people in them. just stuff and lots of it. we do like our stuff, don't we?
what is wrong with toting a beach umbrella for the day, or hiring beach service? it can't cost any more than an impractical tent.
if you have concerns about skin cancer, I would strongly recommend staying off the beach during peak hours (10-3). common sense goes a long, long way.
funny how visitors like to bake during peak hours, just next to their tents packed with coolers and stuff, while most locals and more experienced/aware visitors are staying cool inside during this same time, especially during the hotter months. or if we do venture out in mid-day, it isn't for very long, and it is with much sunblock, hats, etc. the sun is not kind to your skin we have learned. but tents are not the answer of course. who wants to wag one of these out to a gorgeous shoreline?
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Not me. I take only what I can carry in two hands/arms. Chair, SMALL unbrella, SMALL cooler, beach bag containing book, SUNSCREEN, cigs (yes, I pick up every stinkin' butt). If I need more liquor, that's why I bring kids...to fetch it for me.
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Oh, this is so true. 10-3 is the time to hang out at home and eat Cheez-its.
OMG, have y'all tried the new ranch flavored ones?
so good. Make believe those are cheez-its, not popcorn.