Why I can't do it....I can't get past it.

[kathydwells]

Is there anymore crap that can be posted? Haven't we seen it all posted in about a thousand posts? Is anyone else tried of all of this? I have an idea....if you don't like Obama don't vote for him. If you don't like McCain don't vote for him. Seriously, I am just completely ashamed of some of my fellow Americans. It saddens me so much that we are all so torn apart, that all we can do is tear each other up with hurtful words over and over and over again.

Can we not just look for the good in the person that we choose to vote for and post those positives, and stop all of this propaganda about the other person? Why is that so difficult for some?

Sad, just truly sad that this election has brought out so much hate and negativety. Just sad. That is all.

 

[Alicia Leonard]

Is there anymore crap that can be posted? Haven't we seen it all posted in about a thousand posts? Is anyone else tried of all of this? I have an idea....if you don't like Obama don't vote for him. If you don't like McCain don't vote for him. Seriously, I am just completely ashamed of some of my fellow Americans. It saddens me so much that we are all so torn apart, that all we can do is tear each other up with hurtful words over and over and over again.

Can we not just look for the good in the person that we choose to vote for and post those positives, and stop all of this propaganda about the other person? Why is that so difficult for some?

Sad, just truly sad that this election has brought out so much hate and negativety. Just sad. That is all.

I am voting for you. Glad I waited

 

[Mango]

I certainly didn't intend to imply that everyone out there was living beyond their means, I was just trying to make a point. I, like you, saved rather than spent over the last decade. We're all better off because of it.

On your specific points -

"Our income has not increased as much as our expenses have. Higher gasoline, higher food costs, higher utilities, higher insurance rates, higher city and county taxes."

I'm sure you realize a number of these (3 out of 5) are due to the rising cost of energy. These costs have decreased recently but will rise again long term. Energy independence is a major issue in this political campaign. Are you convinced Obama and the Democrats have your best interests placed first on their list (e.g. bringing the cost of energy down) or do you think they place some other agenda first?

If you're lumping food costs in there, gas prices, although a factor is not the largest factor in the rising price of foods. Grains are being exported like mad because there have been international shortages, as well as as the weakened dollar. Our our grain inventories are severely low.

Are you convinced that the McCain camp has your best interests at heart or even understand the economics of inflation? Because from what I have seen and based on what your saying, oil is the driving factor economically, and that is a limited view.

 

[30ashopper]

Are you convinced that the McCain camp has your best interests at heart or even understand the economics of inflation? Because from what I have seen and based on what your saying, oil is the driving factor economically, and that is a limited view.

Mango, I do understand inflation and I also understand deflation. In respect to what you said - "oil is the driving factor economically" - I think this is true in that it is a very significant component of production costs and consumer's cost of living. We both understand why the price of oil is currently declining, but that is not a long term trend, right? I'm interested in hearing what Obama's supporters views are for energy policy, and why they think he has the right plan for lowering energy costs. I do not believe he places lower energy costs as a "top" goal - I think the dems place other agendas above that. In that respect, I believe McCain does have my best interest at heart, at least more so than Obama. That was the reason I asked the question.

If you're lumping food costs in there, gas prices, although a factor is not the largest factor in the rising price of foods. Grains are being exported like mad because there have been international shortages, as well as as the weakened dollar. Our our grain inventories are severely low.

Side comment - what else is currently contributing to the rising cost of grain?

 

[rancid]

This is a flawed argument. The middle class isn't out of money to spend because their wages are flat - middle class earnings have actually been increasing.

http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/BlogEntry.cfm?PrettyID=7596&Prev=0

The middle class is broke because they were living beyond their means. Taxing one income group and shuffling that money down to another won't change anything or potentially make things worse.

Your link does not support your statement regarding middle class earnings as the graphs are for all U.S workers not just the middle class.

 

[dhp42]

evidence of Obama's membership in socialist New Party

Here's evidence of Obama's past membership in the socialist New Party.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021857.php

It's extremely disturbing for many of the posters on here that don't see the problem with socialism. If you don't, educate yourself. Very simply, it doesn't work & history has proven it many times over. For a timely example, google "the real story of thanksgiving" & also read the documents of William Bradford, the leader of the Plymouth colony.

Finally, the current status of our economy is squarely a result of decades of neglect & greed on the part of many in Washington. The modern problems of it starts w/ the Carter administration's implementation of the Community Reinvestment Act & was largely widened by the Clinton administration open public policy of expanding the program & literally imposing fines on banks for not giving housing loans to lower income & minority borrowers regardless of whether or not they could qualify for the loans. McCain actually warned about the current status of Freddie & Fannie and proposed reform in 2005 along w/ other members of Congress but it never got traction because many members of the Democratic party, including Maxine Waters, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd & others vehemently denied there were any problems. For more proof check out this video & also search You Tube for sworn comments of democratic senators in Congress as recent as this summer about how Freddie & Fannie were strong! It is absolutely ridiculous that George Bush gets the blame for something that is decades in the making.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4"]YouTube - Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? Bombshell[/ame]

And 1 more video w/ proof of the democrats testifying about Fannie & Freddie.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related"]YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis[/ame]

Enjoy!

 

[Kayak Fish]

[quote dhp42]

It's extremely disturbing for many of the posters on here that don't see the problem with socialism. If you don't, educate yourself. Very simply, it doesn't work & history has proven it many times over. For a timely example, google "the real story of thanksgiving" & also read the documents of William Bradford, the leader of the Plymouth colony.

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The real question is, what is socialism? Is Obama proposing government ownership of all private property?

Why isn't McCain advocating radical changes to the income tax and taking the fight to socialism? Why did he vote against the Bush tax cuts? Why aren't you outraged that Bush and a Republican Congress passed the medicaire prescription drug benefit? Are you angry that both Obama and Milton Friedman McCain voted for the 800 billion dollar bank bailout, and that McFreemarket wants to buy up all the bad mortgages with government funds?

I eagerly await answers to these questions from you or anyone using the "Obama is a socialist" attack.

 

[Jim Tucker]

Where are all the attacks of socialism and marxism coming from? Calling politicians liberal isn't working any more? Terrorist by association BS didn't stick? Smells like more desperation.

Also desperate, posting words, videos, and links to wacko blogger which source other wacko bloggers which source other wacko bloggers . . . .
Call Joe the plumber, I think the sewer is backed up.

 

[TooFarTampa]

This is really interesting! It's a blog post about a letter to the NYTimes published on Oct. 28, 1908 -- one hundred years and one day ago -- regarding candidate Teddy Roosevelt and the cries of socialism. Much of the letter is reprinted. The more things change, the more they stay the same, huh?

That doesn't seem to me very alarming, unless one is afraid of democracy, for this programme of public ownership will inevitably be submitted piecemeal to the voters for judgment, and if it's found impracticable, wasteful, or immoral it won't be adopted. In a Nation as big as ours the danger is never that changes will come too fast. The Socialists will find that it is a terribly slow business to overcome the inertia of 80,000,000 of people.

This is so true. Here's more.

The principle of competition which the Socialists flog has already been discarded; they are whipping a dead horse. No trust promoter believes in free competition. Moreover, most of the Rooseveltian policies - the arid land reclamation schemes, the National forests, the leasing of coal and mineral rights, the renting of grazing lands, the construction of the Panama Canal by direct employment, the development of water powers under public ownership and control - are in strict harmony with Socialist principles....The faith of our forefathers in the sacred principle of competition as the self-acting force which yielded ideal justice and rendered to every man according to his deserts, has departed as surely as the belief in witchcraft. So why be alarmed because Socialism is inculcating with some success a political philosophy that means the conscious adoption of the method we are already, empirically, trying? There is no advantage in preaching one principle and practicing another, as do some good Republicans and Democrats.

http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/005291.php

P.S. Roosevelt was a hero of McCain's.

 

[Blair]

Is there anymore crap that can be posted? Haven't we seen it all posted in about a thousand posts? Is anyone else tried of all of this? I have an idea....if you don't like Obama don't vote for him. If you don't like McCain don't vote for him. Seriously, I am just completely ashamed of some of my fellow Americans. It saddens me so much that we are all so torn apart, that all we can do is tear each other up with hurtful words over and over and over again.

Can we not just look for the good in the person that we choose to vote for and post those positives, and stop all of this propaganda about the other person? Why is that so difficult for some?

Sad, just truly sad that this election has brought out so much hate and negativety. Just sad. That is all.

This is a political forum...right????