Well, I gotta weigh in here and just say that my family and I believe that the beaches and the natural areas surrounding them are almost sacred land for all of us to ENJOY. I don't know and probably don't care that someone may think "they" own the beach because they don't Watch that sand wash away next hurricane season and then who owns that "land." We walk and pick up trash on whoevers beach property we walk across. We ask people to please remove their stuff from the beach at night due to problems with accidents at night by people walking, to fill in holes, to remember the nesting turtles and their rights, and we don not ask them "who owns this beach?" The county has in our opinion dropped the medicine ball with this non-enforcement if there is a legal leg to stand on. But after watching this county act recently, I think they are all in someone's pocket. As far as blaming Obama, give it a break! Let's blame Dick Cheney instead. Makes as much sense to me.
County removing articles from beach?
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TooFarTampa
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I don't get what the point is here. I don't see how anyone can argue that tons of stuff left on the beach overnight isn't a) bad for tourism; b) bad for emergency vehicles, c) bad for the nesting turtles.
Is a volleyball net more important than any of the above? Clearly no. But I can see why individual property rights are an issue, because of the ridiculous ways various lots have been platted over the years. Are any of the above more important than individual property rights? Definitely (b), and it appears the state wildlife commission could certainly argue for (c). I would think most individual property owners would be concerned about (a).
For those waiting to see how the legal process plays out, how much did you try to work with the county before suing? Or was it just "file a lawsuit and see what happens next?" Right now it appears like a small group of people are yelling at everyone else (including the county) to get off their lawns, at the expense of the greater good.
Is a volleyball net more important than any of the above? Clearly no. But I can see why individual property rights are an issue, because of the ridiculous ways various lots have been platted over the years. Are any of the above more important than individual property rights? Definitely (b), and it appears the state wildlife commission could certainly argue for (c). I would think most individual property owners would be concerned about (a).
For those waiting to see how the legal process plays out, how much did you try to work with the county before suing? Or was it just "file a lawsuit and see what happens next?" Right now it appears like a small group of people are yelling at everyone else (including the county) to get off their lawns, at the expense of the greater good.
So if you happen to own the land where the County mistakenly cleared and paved a road for public use, but you have title to the land, can you leave your crap in the middle of the road and expect it to still be there tomorrow?
Land ownership is sometimes clear as mud, and your rights of use for that land even muddier. The way you are talking, the gov't has no control of you dumping hazardous waste on your own property, and they sure as heck wouldn't have any rights to tell you how to use your property, ie- zoning.
Interested Girl, glad you won your case for Edgewater, but how would you suggest rewriting the ordinance? I sure hope you deeded waterfront owners don't have an endangered species die on "your" exclusive beach. I cannot imagine the national press you will receive, though I do know the fines.
I think the Edgewater spokesperson came to the public hearings regarding the issue and asked point blankly if her beach volleyball net would be able to get an exemption because they didn't want to take it down, and she couldn't get a straight answer from the Commissioners, and said that she okay with the ordinance if her beach volleyball net could stay. If it couldn't, she was going to sue.
TooFarTampa
SoWal Insider
This particular lawsuit is really all about a volleyball net? Interested girl called this a "win" for Edgewater. Funny, everyone looks like a loser to me.
Based on information I have received, this post (email) pretty much sums up the current status of the program.
I believe you mean "Edgewater," home of the volleyball queen. Actually, I like her spunk, but I think her position on the issue is a little stubborn. From all she says in the Commissioner meetings, there is no give on Edgewater's end. She has repeatedly mentioned that Edgewater goes to great lengths to ensure the beach is free of litter and debris every day, and I commend them for that, especially since it IS REQUIRED of all beach venders, though many of the beach venders and the Code Enforcement turn their heads on that part of the Beach Vending Permit clause. I don't go to the beach at Edgewater, so I don't know.
From the way I understood her describing it, Edgewater has a permanent structure for a beach volleyball net/posts (sounded like 6"x6" wooden posts, but I'm not sure.) If that is the case, and it is close to the dune line, I'm not sure how that would be different for Seaturtles and BeachCop vehicles, than a beach walkover with pilings.
It is a shame that they have taken it to this level, if that is the case, but I understand the point. The down side is that doing so effects a totally different issue of all the crap left on the beach every day. I know that Edgewater certainly wouldn't allow people to leave crap on that stretch of beach everyday, so the very narrow focus is very short-sighted in my opinion. We ALL want to maintiain the beautiful beaches which are present. Let's not blow it. Thankfully, many of the locals and visitors don't pay attention to whose property they are collecting trash.
From the way I understood her describing it, Edgewater has a permanent structure for a beach volleyball net/posts (sounded like 6"x6" wooden posts, but I'm not sure.) If that is the case, and it is close to the dune line, I'm not sure how that would be different for Seaturtles and BeachCop vehicles, than a beach walkover with pilings.
It is a shame that they have taken it to this level, if that is the case, but I understand the point. The down side is that doing so effects a totally different issue of all the crap left on the beach every day. I know that Edgewater certainly wouldn't allow people to leave crap on that stretch of beach everyday, so the very narrow focus is very short-sighted in my opinion. We ALL want to maintiain the beautiful beaches which are present. Let's not blow it. Thankfully, many of the locals and visitors don't pay attention to whose property they are collecting trash.
By the way, I need a new beach chair and umbrella, if anyone knows where I can get one.
TooFarTampa
SoWal Insider
Thank you, I edited ... got my lawsuits mixed up. I agree with this post above. If the net is a "permanent" structure, then it should have been properly permitted at the time of installation. If it was, it seems like it would be grandfathered in like any other permanent structure. If it wasn't properly permitted when it was installed, then it should be torn down or find a way to grandfather it in, just don't hold up the court system with such nonsense.