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AlphaCrab

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Maybe it is just an award given by the committeee to recognize that George W Bush is "not" currently President? I am just saying.
 

Lynnie

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This might be a silly question, but what is Option 3?

I am amazed at the reactions worldwide as well, which has nothing to do with party affiliation....and, am amazed at reactions both for and against. I can say that not one person I have encountered (close personal friend or mere acquaintance - republican or democrat) believes this prize should have gone to our President at this juncture, even knowing the basis for which the committee granted the award.

Alpha Crab, I have been hearing mutterings of this theory as well - Norway despises George W. Bush, and that the award was more of an international political posture. While we need troops in Afghanistan, we don't currently have enough. We've already called up the Reserves. Will we institute the draft again? Will Norway support this effort?

In any event, hopefully this will get some momentum going to help better the world in peace relations as well as the global economies.

I haven't heard anyone denigrate the man at all and when people disagree, it doesn't necessarily mean there is hatred or generalizations. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
 

30A Skunkape

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Maybe it is just an award given by the committeee to recognize that George W Bush is "not" currently President? I am just saying.

So what role did Obama play in this process? If anything, give the award posthumously to the authors of our constitution who defined term in office.

I kind of resent the notion of being patted on the head by a bunch of Norwegians for doing the right thing.

A more fitting recipient of the peace prize if the committee wanted to reward an 'anti-Bush'? How about Bill Clinton for his role in the Northern Ireland peace process?
 

LuciferSam

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You make a good point. A number of the 'losers' were political dissenters. Politics 'proper' do play an important role. Whether it involves recognizing someone who forces change, or recognizing someone who simply symbolizes it. Take your pick I guess. The committee obviously did.

The biggest losers are the ones who can't see this as a victory for our country.
 

LuciferSam

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So what role did Obama play in this process? If anything, give the award posthumously to the authors of our constitution who defined term in office.

I kind of resent the notion of being patted on the head by a bunch of Norwegians for doing the right thing.

A more fitting recipient of the peace prize if the committee wanted to reward an 'anti-Bush'? How about Bill Clinton for his role in the Northern Ireland peace process?

What could be more anti-Bush then the man who ended "four more years of George Bush"?
 

LuciferSam

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This might be a silly question, but what is Option 3?

I am amazed at the reactions worldwide as well, which has nothing to do with party affiliation....and, am amazed at reactions both for and against. I can say that not one person I have encountered (close personal friend or mere acquaintance - republican or democrat) believes this prize should have gone to our President at this juncture, even knowing the basis for which the committee granted the award.

Alpha Crab, I have been hearing mutterings of this theory as well - Norway despises George W. Bush, and that the award was more of an international political posture. While we need troops in Afghanistan, we don't currently have enough. We've already called up the Reserves. Will we institute the draft again? Will Norway support this effort?

In any event, hopefully this will get some momentum going to help better the world in peace relations as well as the global economies.

I haven't heard anyone denigrate the man at all and when people disagree, it doesn't necessarily mean there is hatred or generalizations. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Obviously the committee is trying to make a statement, and it's their statement, not mine, not yours, and not America's. They are trying to tell the world something, whether you agree with it or not, so I think it's more important to get some meaning out of it if possible. For example, I don't believe that man in Iraq should have thrown his shoes at Bush. I personally think that distinction should have gone to Cheney or Rumsfeld, but what's done is done. The only thing to do now is perhaps figure out what message that man was trying to send out, again whether you agree with it or not. I personally voted for Obama to avoid four more years of shoe throwing.:D It looks like it's working.:clap:
 

AlphaCrab

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Sep 25, 2008
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So what role did Obama play in this process? If anything, give the award posthumously to the authors of our constitution who defined term in office.

I kind of resent the notion of being patted on the head by a bunch of Norwegians for doing the right thing.

A more fitting recipient of the peace prize if the committee wanted to reward an 'anti-Bush'? How about Bill Clinton for his role in the Northern Ireland peace process?

I will give the Norweigians the benefit of the doubt here, after all they are somewhat more advanced from a cultural and humanitarian perspective than we are.. I am just saying.
 

30A Skunkape

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I will give the Norweigians the benefit of the doubt here, after all they are somewhat more advanced from a cultural and humanitarian perspective than we are.. I am just saying.
Why do you say that? Without even looking I bet Americans, both privately and publicly give more money to charity than Norwegians. I guess you can forgive the latter day vikings for being kinda cheap though, as people do tend to tighten their purse strings when taxation is a burden.

By the way, you might research why Norwegians enjoy relative prosperity in the face of a generally sour global economy. It has to do with oil, as in the drill baby drill variety and not the blubber squeezings from the whaling hunts sanctioned by the culturally advanced, humane Norwegian government.

I'm just sayin...:roll:
 
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RayStar

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I am both so happy and proud of our president getting this honor, and dismayed at the same time by the almost visceral reaction to it by some on and outside of this board.

I guess people find their peace in different ways.
It is truly unbelievable that some want the president to refuse the award. How would that help the world? I am so pleased that the committee is recognizing the things our president wants to do to correct so many ills. All of this in house fighting is helping none of us.

I tend to think this award for the president is because of the good he did in the campaign and the few months after winning the election. World recognition is what the Nobel Peace Prize is about. It is not an American Award selected by Americans. Thank goodness it is not selected by Americans. What these naysayers are moaning about is falling on the deaf ears of the committee. YIPPEE:clap:
 

GoodWitch58

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Thank you goodwitch for saying things I can't because I get too emotional.

My only son, father of 3 beautiful children , joined the military for all the right reasons: pride in his country and a sense of responsibility to protect it. He has been to the desert 3 times and is now deployed for a year in Korea.
My family has it all on the line, so when "patriots" post hateful statements about this president it takes all I can do to use Option 3.
If they have a loved one defending their right to spit on POTUS and yell crass lowbrow epithets, I'll listen and empathize. Otherwise, I'll try not to reply.

I will say this: My son, and most of his fellow soldiers, feel that this president gives the US dignity and respect. They are proud to serve him.
He proves that the American Dream really exists. You can come from humble beginnings, work hard, and become President of the most wonderful country in the world.

You really are a good witch.

Thanks. I know what you are going through...my son was in Korea, and all over the Middle East and Southwest Asia...and because of the nature of his work, we often had no idea where he was exactly or if he was okay for weeks at the time.

Unless one has had a loved one in the situation , there is no way to understand what parents, spouses, and children go through.

It infuriates me that some people are so holier than thou about "their country, and their support of the troops, and their patriotism..."when they have no idea what real sacrifice is. And the idea that one has to be a conservative or vote Republican and be a Christian to be in the military is insulting.

Often, over the last few years I have found myself in line at the grocery store or the movies...or at a park or on the beach..and the people around me seem so oblivious to what my son and your son and so many others like them are dealing with.

I have had to go to my car and close the windows and turn on the radio and the a/c and just scream: "don't you people know there is a war going on and people are dying?"..and you are worried about the next party--or what to wear the next day--or who the latest pop culture idol is sleeping with! It makes me crazy. So, I do understand how emotional it can be.

I wish safety for your son and peace of mind to his wife and children and to you...Right after 9-11 when my son was deployed and unable to contact me (he was not married at the time) except once in awhile--when he would call we often talked about the beautiful sunsets or sunrises in the desert..I remember once, on Mothers Day 2002, walking along the beach just at sunset and the moon was just coming up too--I was counting the hours that made up the time difference and thinking about him, wondering if he was okay and what he was doing...just at that moment, my cell phone rang and his voice from half a world away said, "Mom...the moon is so beautiful here right now. I can't talk long--but I wondered if you were watching the moon too..."over the years seeing the moon and sun rise and set together and sharing descriptions of a rainbow or a storm via the satellite phone has been the link that connected us.

I find the same attitude toward President Obama with my son's colleagues...they endured many additional difficulties because of the "cowboy" politics of Bush and Cheney--thank God that is over and there is a certain dignity and inclusiveness displayed by our president that was not there before. As you and your family know, it has made a huge difference. Now, hopefully before too much longer, we can end these wars and bring them all home.

And just maybe the Americans who are yelling and screaming and carrying on with all the name calling --not in a locked car with the radio blaring--but blaring themselves all over the airwaves, will go off somewhere and watch a sunset and think about just what they are (not) contributing to peace on the planet and then, have a change of behavior. We can only hope.

In the meantime on this Board I, too, use Option 3--most of the time, to do anything else is a waste of effort. Sometimes, though, I find that I simply can not let the attitudes stand. I feel I owe it to our men and women in uniform and all the others who work so hard and endure so much on our behalf. Even if it makes no difference to the posters here, I feel better for having taken a stand. And so many have written or called or emailed kind words, so I am glad that I was able to write something that touched a positive place for you.

Have a good evening and I hope you get to talk with your son soon.:clap:
 
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