Arizona law doesn't go "far enough" for Florida.

[hkem1]

What a great example. These guys are the poster child for companies helped by illegal immigration.

This is the same Potsville plant that was charged after the big immigration raid with violating child labor laws including having children under 16 operating dangerous meat processing equipment.

Now I feel really extra bad that enforcing our immigration laws had a negative impact on this plant and the community that supported it.

I would guess that such activities would have been a lot harder to get away with if they had had a legal workforce.

If they couldn't get employees then they needed to change something about their business. Maybe it was pay? Or location? Or business processes? Who knows, but something needed to be changed.

I guess hiring illegals (especially illegal alien kids) was a lot simpler solution.

Of course hiring foreign workers is better for the company. They, and their children, work for less money and apparently are willing to be around dangerous equipment.

It's also better for the foreign workers themselves, otherwise they wouldn't be there working.

It's also better for the town the workers came from back in Guatemala.

It's also better for the businesses in the town who rely on the immigrant population to spend money.

They needed to be deported because they broke the law, and the company should be prosecuted for allowing it to happen. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce our current immigration laws more stringently, we absolutely should, I'm saying I think the laws need to be altered to allow corporations to bring in cheap labor.

The non-citizens shouldn't get any benefits, other than children in schools, because that would hurt the taxpayers.

I have not seen how having legal unskilled workers, who receive no benefits, hurts anyone involved in the situation.

 

[futurebeachbum]

To me job number one on immigration (and for other reasons) is to secure our borders. Until we secure our borders we can put a million immigration laws in place and they will mean essentially nothing.

Job number two is to put some form of more level playing field in place for U.S. producers. We could do this by:

• Having foreign producers adhere to all the same 'taxes' related to safety,EEO, health, fiduciary, environmental, etc.. that our producers do under our laws and regs.
• Repealing any laws or regs here that aren't imposed on foreign competitors.
• Applying a tax on work brought in from abroad to adjust for differing conditions. Such a tax would probably hit imports from the third world much harder than imports from the EU or Canada but that would be its purpose.

Once we've tackled some of the inequities our industries face then job number three is to fix the current illegal immigrant issue with some penalties but a possible path to permanent residency. (Maybe the penalty is fines and they get only a green card not citizenship.)

 

[scooterbug44]

I agree that border security is #1, (in the sequel to the book he wrote about flying a jet into the Capitol, Tom Clancy had Middle Eastern terrorists come across the Mexican border and plan attacks on the Midwest) but many illegal immigrants are actual legal immigrants (students etc.) who overstayed their welcome. Don't understand why we can't do a better job enforcing THOSE illegals - you know, the ones we have fingerprints, photos, and computer files on. :roll:

 

[futurebeachbum]

I agree that border security is #1, (in the sequel to the book he wrote about flying a jet into the Capitol, Tom Clancy had Middle Eastern terrorists come across the Mexican border and plan attacks on the Midwest) but many illegal immigrants are actual legal immigrants (students etc.) who overstayed their welcome. Don't understand why we can't do a better job enforcing THOSE illegals - you know, the ones we have fingerprints, photos, and computer files on. :roll:

I expect we don't bother because the investors in the Congress and the various Administrations don't want it to happen.

It probably makes no difference as long as we don't enforce our borders,

Regarding Clancy, Mexico has a pretty large Lebanese population with plenty of connections back to the middle east. Slipping in through the deserts of the southwest is the easiest way for someone from that part of the world to enter our country unnoticed.