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Matt J

SWGB
May 9, 2007
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What builders do you know from this area who build quality homes at efficient pricing? Can you give the Thread Author, Miss Sunshine, and the rest of us some examples of quality homes at good prices? Thanks

How about this:

Talk to some prospective builders about the quality of their work and then ask to see it. Hopefully they might have a few projects in various stages. Although the average person might not see certain things it has always seemed fairly obvious to me the quality.

Initial framing:
If I see misfired nails sticking out of joints, split wood, or repeatedly drawn guidelines with no obvious signs of a reason to keep changing measurements then it raises red flags.

Windows and doors:
During the initial install the doors and windows should work flawlessly. If there is any sticking or problems operating hardware this isn't quality installation. If a door has to be pushed to latch or seems to scrub anywhere I would be leary. If you're building along the coast then the doors and windows are most likely hurricane resistant and get tested before they arrive at the job site. Bad installation or bad framing will reflect in poor operation very quickly.

Sheetrock:
If finished and awaiting paint then it should be smooth no signs of the tape no bubbles or holes in the mud. Speaking of mud it shouldn't be all over the floor. It seems that if your slopping mud all over the floor your flying thru a job and not paying attention. I'm not saying accidents don't happen, but if this is consistently thru out the house you might just have a novice or apprentice. You're also paying for that waste.

Finishes:
Paint - Stand against the wall and look down it. The paint should be uniform with no visible blemishes of any kind. This is new construction, older homes will show some sort of blemish from patching, moisture, etc.
Wall Paper - It should be difficult if not impossible to find a seam.
Tile - If it's glass tile, can you see any bubbles or pockets behind the tiles? Is the grout unform through out? The grout should be a straight line and uniform thickness. If floor tiles are involved they should be level all the way across (keep in mind that a textured tile is a little harder to tell). Same grout standards. Also is the grout mis-colored or different colors? This means it wasn't mixed properly or long enough and will definitely give you problems down the road.

These are just the things I look for when a house is to this stage of construction. One of these being off could be the sign of a shoddy sub contractor, but more than one and the blame is squarely on the general contractor.

Again, it is amazing to me that people will literally choose a contractor based entirely on a bid. You should actually meet with, talk to, and investigate a general contractor. Afterall if it is a primary residence you will be entrusting the end product to you and your family's lives.
 

traderx

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Mar 25, 2008
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SWBG,

Excellent post and great information.

After working with builders on two different custom homes, the key to the process is communication. When you meet with builders, determine if he/she is a good listener and communicator. "I thought you said brown moulding"...

Another good technical question to ask a prospective builder is how do you flash windows? Here in Atlanta, not many builders do this correctly.

BTW, do any builders in SoWal use framing crews that still hand hammer nails or has the entire free world gone to nail guns?
 
SWBG,

Excellent post and great information.

After working with builders on two different custom homes, the key to the process is communication. When you meet with builders, determine if he/she is a good listener and communicator. "I thought you said brown moulding"...

Another good technical question to ask a prospective builder is how do you flash windows? Here in Atlanta, not many builders do this correctly.

BTW, do any builders in SoWal use framing crews that still hand hammer nails or has the entire free world gone to nail guns?

A lot of Engineers designing homes to meet internal pressures or just general Coastal Construction Zone want to see nail petterns of 4" o.c. in the field and 2" o.c. at the perimeter. This really does necessitate gun nails.

On the flash windows question it would be ideal if the Architect would specify a flashing detail. There are as many details as there are window companies. I virtually guarantee you that you cannot always use the same waterproofing detail for windows and doors. When you have a masonry home in Rosemary Beach where the windows are installed depressed within the opening there are a number of waterproofing details and not many good ones allow conventional flashing. Any builder who has built 50 homes in this area will tell you that most plans either do not include a flashing detail or, if they do the flashing detail, window style and trim details do not match one another.

Then you get an elevation view that does not match the typical sections. You can check with Pella Windows and ask them if their factory installers ever have to come back for leaks and they will tell you yes. It happens. In the absence of specifications builders usually use their experience derived from call backs to make field decisions.
 
How about this:

Talk to some prospective builders about the quality of their work and then ask to see it. Hopefully they might have a few projects in various stages. Although the average person might not see certain things it has always seemed fairly obvious to me the quality.

Initial framing:
If I see misfired nails sticking out of joints, split wood, or repeatedly drawn guidelines with no obvious signs of a reason to keep changing measurements then it raises red flags.

Windows and doors:
During the initial install the doors and windows should work flawlessly. If there is any sticking or problems operating hardware this isn't quality installation. If a door has to be pushed to latch or seems to scrub anywhere I would be leary. If you're building along the coast then the doors and windows are most likely hurricane resistant and get tested before they arrive at the job site. Bad installation or bad framing will reflect in poor operation very quickly.

Sheetrock:
If finished and awaiting paint then it should be smooth no signs of the tape no bubbles or holes in the mud. Speaking of mud it shouldn't be all over the floor. It seems that if your slopping mud all over the floor your flying thru a job and not paying attention. I'm not saying accidents don't happen, but if this is consistently thru out the house you might just have a novice or apprentice. You're also paying for that waste.

Finishes:
Paint - Stand against the wall and look down it. The paint should be uniform with no visible blemishes of any kind. This is new construction, older homes will show some sort of blemish from patching, moisture, etc.
Wall Paper - It should be difficult if not impossible to find a seam.
Tile - If it's glass tile, can you see any bubbles or pockets behind the tiles? Is the grout unform through out? The grout should be a straight line and uniform thickness. If floor tiles are involved they should be level all the way across (keep in mind that a textured tile is a little harder to tell). Same grout standards. Also is the grout mis-colored or different colors? This means it wasn't mixed properly or long enough and will definitely give you problems down the road.

These are just the things I look for when a house is to this stage of construction. One of these being off could be the sign of a shoddy sub contractor, but more than one and the blame is squarely on the general contractor.

Again, it is amazing to me that people will literally choose a contractor based entirely on a bid. You should actually meet with, talk to, and investigate a general contractor. Afterall if it is a primary residence you will be entrusting the end product to you and your family's lives.

So you've been here for a while and I'm sure you know some great builders by now. Who do you recommend that performs like you like?
 

scooterbug44

SoWal Expert
May 8, 2007
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Sowal
Usually if there is something that looks "weird" it is something that wasn't done properly.

I also look at the not so visible stuff - peek into a utility closet, under the kitchen sink, in the garage, and under the house and you'll REALLY see how high of quality their work is. It's like looking under the bed to see how well someone vacuums. :D

I am not recommending certain builders on this thread, because I don't want to open the can of worms about why I DON'T recommend other builders.
 
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Matt J

SWGB
May 9, 2007
24,862
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So you've been here for a while and I'm sure you know some great builders by now. Who do you recommend that performs like you like?

IF I had the money to build right now it would be a very difficult choice between Davis Dunn and Gage Construction. Now that I've said the magic words the loonies will come out of the wood work.
 
Usually if there is something that looks "weird" it is something that wasn't done properly.

I also look at the not so visible stuff - peek into a utility closet, under the kitchen sink, in the garage, and under the house and you'll REALLY see how high of quality their work is. It's like looking under the bed to see how well someone vacuums. :D

I am not recommending certain builders on this thread, because I don't want to open the can of worms about why I DON'T recommend other builders.

Some people would definately say that hay bale construction looks weird. I can't imagine how it would open a can of worms to say you know a good builder.
 
IF I had the money to build right now it would be a very difficult choice between Davis Dunn and Gage Construction. Now that I've said the magic words the loonies will come out of the wood work.

When I moved here in 1997 the very first house I worked on was a brand new Davis and Dunn home two doors to the East of "1 Seagrove" Bill Smith from Pelican Realty hired me to do the punch out on the new home to prepare it for a closing. I did quite a bit of different work there and learned a bunch about gulf front building practices.

I know both Whitney and Will and I'd bet they would tell you that their homebuilding has improved quite a bit somewhere between house number 1 and house number 150. I am building a home side by side with them today and I for one think they do a good job. I think they get paid very well for their work and have some very close relationships with local Architects.
 
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