Change at Emergency Management?

[TheZohan]

He thought he was the man. But there is no telling what might had happen if he had not got caught. Might have had an contract with the Jerry Springer Show

 

[Geo]

I stand by my statement. He was not forced to resign. He chose to resign. Sometimes people think it will not all come out in the end, but in reality he chose to resign rather than facing the investigation and discipline.

Were either people forthcoming with all of the facts - No.

Another example of PIO spin.

IG,

Choose to resign means you have a choice (to still keep your job).

Forced to resign means you don't have a choice (to still keep your job) and the consolation choice is to resign or be fired. Either way you have no choice to keep your job.

The second option applies here. So standing by your statement only makes you appear to be communicating disingenuously.

Why not just say you were wrong or were given bad information?



I love a debate but I won't stick around on this one to box with you. As Idlewind said, you're already down on the mat.

 

[Interested Girl]

IG,

Choose to resign means you have a choice (to still keep your job).

Forced to resign means you don't have a choice (to still keep your job) and the consolation choice is to resign or be fired. Either way you have no choice to keep your job.

The second option applies here. So standing by your statement only makes you appear to be communicating disingenuously.

Why not just say you were wrong or were given bad information?



I love a debate but I won't stick around on this one to box with you. As Idlewind said, you're already down on the mat.

No

Forced (force) -
1. Strength or power exerted upon an object; physical coercion; violence: to use force to open the window; to use force on a person.

2. to compel, constrain, or oblige (oneself or someone) to do something: to force a suspect to confess.

The individual did have a choice - he could resign or be terminated.
The individual exercised his judgment and chose to resign (even if under duress).

He clearly had a CHOICE.

He was not forced to do anything other than make a decision that he believed to be in his best interest.

Many times an employer will not give the employee the choice to resign, but will simply terminate for cause.

:boxing:

 

[Geo]

No

Forced (force) -
1. Strength or power exerted upon an object; physical coercion; violence: to use force to open the window; to use force on a person.

2. to compel, constrain, or oblige (oneself or someone) to do something: to force a suspect to confess.

The individual did have a choice - he could resign or be terminated.
The individual exercised his judgment and chose to resign (even if under duress).

He clearly had a CHOICE.

He was not forced to do anything other than make a decision that he believed to be in his best interest.

Many times an employer will not give the employee the choice to resign, but will simply terminate for cause.

:boxing:

You said originally he was not forced to resign.

Then you said you stand by your statement that he was not forced to resign.

Then you provide me with a definition of the word force which further proves he was forced to resign. See bold above.

Are you concussed? IG, can you hear me? Get up. What's my name, IG? What is today's date.

Somebody call an ambulance.



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He was forced to resign.

 

[Interested Girl]

You said originally he was not forced to resign.

Then you said you stand by your statement that he was not forced to resign.

Then you provide me with a definition of the word force which further proves he was forced to resign. See bold above.

Are you concussed? IG, can you hear me? Get up. What's my name, IG? What is today's date.

Somebody call an ambulance.



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He was forced to resign.

Sorry - but he chose to resign rather than face the music. What everyone really needs to determine is what "monetary incentives" he was given. Want to bet it was more the guidelines provide ?

We could go back and forth on this for a long time I guess, but we will always disagree. Get over it !

You are trying to Force me to agree with you position, but guess what I have a choice not to drink your cool aid.

 

[Kurt]

This thread looks as if school children are posting on it. Stay classy SoWal.

 

[Geo]

I'm a school child who enjoys good debate and discourse. There isn't any here. Lol

 

[idlewind]

I really prefer serious debate and repartee and am more than man enough to admit when I am wrong. It aggravates me when others cannot do the same. I will try and remain classy in the future.
IG does bring up a good point about financial incentives to get Barker to leave. Maybe she will share what her informants have told her. Another good point that has been lost is who is minding the Emergency Management store? Do they have any EM education or experience? I know a news story said the had "two or three" captains who had ran an EOC, but in light of their track record on telling the whole truth, is this indeed a fact? With the heart of hurricane season ahead, somebody may want to find out for sure.

 

[Geo]

I can only speak for myself. I attempted to be playful (sticking within the boxing paradigm) but still be firm that I call BS on IG. I agree with Idlewind here that one should just admit when they are wrong. Capt Barker was forced to resign- credible published sources support this. Period. No kool aid, nothing to get over.

I have no insider knowledge but I find it difficult to believe that he was given any financial incentive for resigning. He wasn't operating in a position of power given the evidence against him. Until a credible source is cited or a firsthand credible account surfaces, I'd wager this is your classic "quit or be fired" scenario where the incentive was to be spared the extra humiliation.

And if I am wrong, I will admit it gladly.

 

[Brave Heart]

I really prefer serious debate and repartee and am more than man enough to admit when I am wrong. It aggravates me when others cannot do the same. I will try and remain classy in the future.
IG does bring up a good point about financial incentives to get barker to leave. Maybe she will share what her informants have told her. Another good point that has been lost is who is minding the Emergency Management store? Do they have any EM education or experience? I know a news story said the had "two or three" captains who had ran an EOC, but in light of their track record on telling the whole truth, is this indeed a fact? With the heart of hurricane season ahead, somebody may want to find out for sure.

ONCE UPON A TIME Walton County had highly trained personnel IN EOC, ..... then they started firing them ......DUMB SH---TS, DUMB DUMB. I guess barker thinks he is a legend in his own mind.....( gag)
THE TRUTH IS LIKE THE SUN, YOU MAY COVER IT UP FOR A WHILE, BUT IT AIN'T GOIN' AWAY....

Barker should never be allowed to ever work in law enforcement again..1) he has no ethical or moral codes 2) no integrity 3) and I willing to bet there are more than just "text " messages that he sent.. he is a disgrace to the badge he wore ; its a shame that nobody will put on their "big boy underwear" and man up to the "truth". And funny thing~~~I did not call anyone directly to get the facts. What do you think they would say....the absolute truth perhaps??? don't think so...they would save face to CTA (cover their a..s) .....the facts are right here from the good folks who know and have work with this slime ball. Has anybody got a fishing pole??