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chrisv

Beach Fanatic
Nov 15, 2004
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Anybody remember Don Lapre?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre

This guy is soooo annoying.

Back in the mid 1990's when he was at his peak (infomercials every night), he walked into my bar in Vail. I carded him because he looked young, and when I saw his name it clicked who he was. He turned out to be pretty cool and was a good tipper:D
 

John R

needs to get out more
Dec 31, 2005
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The common factor of all those youtube testimonial/recruitment videos is that they look like they were made with 'my first editing suite'. With all that money they're making, you'd figure they would put some of it back into marketing materials produced professionally. Also, a good portion of them use stock photos of boats, planes, luxury cars, etc. It would be more of a true testimonial if they were standing next to their own assets.
 

gypsy639

Beach Comber
Feb 27, 2008
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www.affordablehealthcare4u.net
Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Remember when the choice of a doctor was yours and your care and treatment was left to just him/her and not some distant stranger whose only interest is “cost containment” and not your well-being?

If so, then you’ve lived long enough to appreciate “what goes around comes around”.

Consequently what is coming around is the return to Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service medical and dental care.

The leading proponent of the “new” old approach to health care is a Seattle based non-profit group named American Association of Patients and Providers (AAPP). They named their approach “SimpleCare”.

SimpleCare was the brainchild of two Seattle physicians, Vern S. Cherewatenko and David McDonald, who tired of 3rd party payers underpaying to the point of loosing money on each treatment performed.

The doctors decided to offer substantially lower fees to patients who would pay cash at the time of service. That change in procedure allowed them to avoid 3rd party payers and dramatically lower their administrative costs.

In a typical treatment scenario, the doctor sees a patient who has come in suffering from the flu. The visit lasts 10 minutes for diagnosis and medication prescription. The staff submits a $79.00 bill to the patients HMO. After a wait of 90 days the doctor’s office receives payment of $43.00 for the service.

The administrative cost for processing the bill is about $20.00, leaving the doctor with a “profit” of $23.00. Not so fast, the overhead for that patient is $30.00. Simple math shows the doctor lost $7.00 treating that patient.

This is not a hypothetical situation. Before SimpleCare, Cherewatenko’s practice had 55 doctors and was losing $80,000 a month due to 3rd party underpayments.

Since implementing SimpleCare, the doctors now charge the flu patient $35.00 if they pay by cash, check or credit card. Again, simple math shows the doctor earned $5.00 instead of a loss of $7.00. The doctors can now avoid bankruptcy, a very real threat to many doctors due to low reimbursements from all 3rd party payers, both public (Medicare and Medicaid) and private (HMO’s, PPO’s etc.).

The consumer wins too. They get the full attention of the doctor, free of “maximum per-patient time limits” and not treatment determined by a distant stranger. The concept of SimpleCare represents a dramatic departure from the “business as usual” model in health care financing. Most important, the patient receives the best healthcare at a reasonable cost.

Today, most health care is paid for through an expensive system known as 3rd party payers, where the 3rd party is an insurance company or a government agency. Many health care experts point to this system as the primary reason we in the U.S. face double-digit health insurance premium inflation and intrusion into our doctor’s decision-making process.

According to renowned economist Milton Friedman, in his analysis, “How To Cure Health Care”, two simple observations are key to the high level of spending on medical care and the dissatisfaction with that spending. The first is that most payments to physicians or hospitals or other caregivers for medical care are made not by the patient, but by a 3rd party. The second is that nobody spends somebody else’s money as wisely or as frugally as he/she spends their own.

Friedman also adds, “no 3rd party is involved when we shop at a supermarket. We pay the supermarket clerk directly. The same for gasoline for our car, clothes on our back and so on down the line.”

The majority has no choice in their health plans since the plans are employer provided. As a result they have no incentive to spend health care dollars wisely, nor do they have much, if any, opportunity to participate in the health care process.

Studies have shown that consumers tied to 3rd party payers may feel they are spending “someone else’s money” and therefore tempted to request unnecessary tests, treatments and other services. Insurers have responded by installing “gate keepers” to review and approve or deny requests for treatments.

James Henderson, author of Health Economics and Policy (Southwestern Publishing, 1999) and professor of economics at Baylor University, describes a classis example of how spending someone else’s money distorts the decision making process.

Henderson writes about a documented case where a 70-year-old man suffering from a ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm was brought to the hospital and spent weeks in an intensive care unit. The bill approached $275,000, none of which was paid by the patient.

The man’s physician determined that poor eating caused by poorly fitting dentures caused his slow recovery. The doctor requested the hospital dentist perform the needed adjustments. Later the doctor discovered the man had not allowed the hospital dentist to perform the needed adjustments. When asked for a reason, the patient replied, “$75.00 is a lot of money.” Medicare would not pay for the adjustment, so it would have been an out of pocket cost.

The nations reliance on 3d party insurance is expensive and getting more so every year. The cost of health care and insurance coverage has been inflated many times over to cover the expense of having a 3rd party involved in the process.

Is it any wonder then, that programs that promise to return to the older model of patient choice and responsibility are increasingly more popular?

What started out with two doctors has grown into about 500,000 doctors and providers in all disciplines serving nearly 6,000,000 patients in all states. Even some of the largest insurance companies are venturing into the world of Consumer Driven Health Care, but their efforts look a lot like their insured plans with controls and “cost containment”. They just will never learn.

Compliments to Conrad F. Meier and Milton Friedman.
 
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SHELLY

SoWal Insider
Jun 13, 2005
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Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

beware, MLM pitch ahead:roll:

Not a very effective MLM advert since I found the bald freak uber-annoying and clicked it off about 7 seconds into the pitch. :dunno:


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gypsy639

Beach Comber
Feb 27, 2008
6
0
89
www.affordablehealthcare4u.net
Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Skunkape, I resent your reply. Nowhere in post or website am I promoting MLM. I am presenting facts that are supported by studies and referring anyone who is interested in an alternative to a broken healthcare system.

gypsy639
 

SHELLY

SoWal Insider
Jun 13, 2005
5,763
803
Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Skunkape, I resent your reply. Nowhere in post or website am I promoting MLM. I am presenting facts that are supported by studies and referring anyone who is interested in an alternative to a broken healthcare system.

gypsy639

Ameriplan is MLM the promotion of which is at the end of the post:

To see what the “new” old system can do for you, I invite you




The following information is a summary of our research regarding inforamtion on the so called AmeriPlan Scam'.

AmeriPlan is a provider access organization that uses brokers to provide supplemental health benefits to members. AmeriPlan Corporation arranges for members to have access to dental, vision, prescription drug and chiropractic providers who have agreed to offer their services at negotiated discounts off their usual and customary fees.

The AmeriPlan business opportunity pays out a variety of commissions and bonuses to its brokers based on member acquisition.

AmeriPlan claims to be an insurance company. However, AmeriPlan benefits are not insurance. Participants must use an AmeriPlan provider in order to receive any discount.

The AmeriPlan scam takes place when a representative calls offering 2,500 dollar credit card for $249. This card can be used for medical expenses supposedly covered under AmeriPlan. The caller informs the potential client that they will receive the card in the mail before their bank account is debited. This is not the case.

If a customer asks for more information they are told they will not receive any information until they send their payment.

Often customers do not receive their card yet their accounts are debited the $249.

When the customer calls to find out about the charges they are told they can no longer get the $249 deal. Of course the customers' next move is to try to cancel their account with AmeriPlan. Customers are told they cannot cancel their account over the phone and that they will have to fill out a cancellation form via the internet.

It has been reported that this cancellation process does not work. Customers call back to AmeriPlan and are told to fill out the form online and that nothing else can be done, leaving the customer in a catch 22 situation.

AmeriPlan claims these cases are isolated and that they, "have never had any of these complaints." However, any internet search on The AmeriPlan Scam will yield an alarming number of consumer complaints.


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30A Skunkape

Skunky
Jan 18, 2006
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Backatown Seagrove
Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Skunkape, I resent your reply. Nowhere in post or website am I promoting MLM. I am presenting facts that are supported by studies and referring anyone who is interested in an alternative to a broken healthcare system.

gypsy639

Give us all a break...it is (yet) another MLM scam that is more tasteless than most since it preys on people without health insurance.

I am afraid JoshMclean and Hollibird already recruited all the SOWALers who might have been interested in MLM. You can read all about it on this thread: MLM discussion - SoWal Beaches Forum That is about all that needs to be said.
 

GoodWitch58

Beach Fanatic
Oct 10, 2005
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Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Except maybe that: politicians listening to Milton Friedman (may he RIP) has a lot to do with the economic situation we find ourselves in now.
 
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