Pandora's gets shut down at 9:30 due to Coconut Radio's "loud music"....

Discussion in 'Music and Nightlife' started by weatabix, Apr 26, 2009.

  1. Groovegirls

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    Great idea! What we really need is a good clear law and this sounds like a great way to get our opinion heard or at least noticed. I will be looking into stickers today. I have joined two organizations to deal with this and other issues and I thought that this issue was resolved by the new sheriff's policy. Also, the county is working on an ordinance which brings us back to vague and unconstitutional. Perhaps the musicians need to start yet another organization. Perhaps we need to write and propse our version of the ordinance. Perhaps if the people who have been complaining come out of the shadows and explain exactly what they want we can find the middle ground. All I know for sure is that if a string band on Saturday night is too much then we all might as well pawn our instruments and start an early afternoon shuffleboard social club. No drinking though, we wouldn't want the shuffleboard club to disturb the peace. I would like to add that all of the meeting I have been to on this subject included a total of TWO PEOPLE who were against the music. If that is at all reflective of the community, I think this issue is solved. Just one more thought. If all these people go to bed so early, then why do all our local businesses open so late in the morning? In fact the only shops open early are bars and restaurants. ONE MORE TIME. None of us want to disturb anybody's peace however the entire community cannot yield to a couple of people. All we are trying to do is what we have been doing for many years. Yes, some things do happen at bars that shouldn't, but that has nothing to do with the legitimacy of live music.

    I should have posted this earlier but here it is:
    The Association of Emerald Coast Event Professionals - AECEP09@yahoo.com

    30A Business Owners josie@stinkysfishcamp.com

    Both of these organizations have been dealing with this and other issues that affect our local businesses.

    The sheriffs office does have a liason but I can't seem to find the number. Here is the substation - 267-2700 or 267 - 2613 (remember they dont make the rules but they do haveto respond to complaints)

    Code enforcement - 622-0000
     
  2. Groovegirls

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    Ok. Before everybody floods the substation with calls...I just got off the phone. I was not able to get much info but I am expecting a call from someone who can answer my questions. I will post what I learn. In the meantime I have talked to my crew and Southern Groove would be more than happy to organize the musicians and bar owners and supporters. Hit me up if you would like to be involved. (groovegirls@netzero.net, 259-3035 or via SoWal) Start thinking about a name and a slogan as Rapunzel suggested. Spread the word and gather support!
     
  3. Redd

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    At the end of the day, this is going to need legal representation "defence fund" and a collective group to fund it, then representation is made for a reasonable, fair, and CLEAR set of walton county and local ordinance that can be voted on by the majority and or elected representatives.
    Town hall meetings held prior to drafting amendments, changes to existing, or whatever lawyers do
    We are close enough to Tallahassee to be able to find such a lawyer skilled in writing and or addressing such
    Then, clear procedure is handed off to SWPD
    So, while slogans are good and catchy, give it a purpose, to fund representation so this situation can be resolved long term
    There are folks round here who are "advising" the "residents" on how to complain, thats kinda petty and behind the door versus being open and debating the solution
    This also stems from those in influence on the county that have provided many obstacles in the way of people reopening or altering existing properties that dont want "growth" in SRB / blue mountain for just one area to speak of
    newsflash --reopening or remodeling is not expansion
    Try naming any new bars that have opened in a free standing building in recent years
    Only one I can think of right now that comes close was Seerings, and redfish residents were well aware of it.

    Coming here from Key West and hearing about the Dog and Pandoras recent troubles I just shake my head, I am troubled by the closed mindedness and use of tax dollars (calling police) to further what seems to be personal agendas versus whats fair for everyone

    Yeh KW is a party town but they have ordinances too. Clear and enforced.

    30a was revered to me by hubby when we were moving from KW
    as a community that pulls together, is supportive of everyone
    These (now regular) occurances are far from that.
    Shame.

    I immediately donate $100 to any organized legal fund set up, and I am sure Mr Redd will too
     
  4. John R

    John R needs to get out more

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    The answer, to me is very plain; the ordinance should be based on objective data, not subjective opinion in response to a phone call from a disgruntled neighbor. The SO owns decibel meters that are not being used, for whatever reason. Distance and SPL(sound pressure level) are quantifiable.
    It amazes me that Walton is not adhering to an ordinance that is already on the books. It seems to me that the arrested employee(and past arrested employees) have a strong class action suit waiting to happen. Why Walton tries to reinvent the wheel all the time, when other counties have already laid the groundwork, is beyond comprehension.
    Also, the complainant at some point loses anonymity, no?
     
  5. LuciferSam

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    Soon everyone should have money for this fund simply from not having any places to go and things to do around 30 A.
     
  6. GoodWitch58

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    "Why Walton tries to reinvent the wheel all the time, when other counties have already laid the groundwork, is beyond comprehension"

    JohnR: when someone finds the answer to this, I hope they post it...this ("reinventing the wheel") behavior happens all the time--no matter what the subject. I just don't understand it either and efforts to make a difference have (at least in my experience) fallen on deaf ears. It is frustrating.:bang:
     
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  7. scooterbug44

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    I have a theory that it is due to too many "consultants" having a vested interest in the various agencies.

    A new idea requires polling, feasibility studies, extensive editing and drafting or regulations etc............

    Adopting a model someone else develops and has already revised means far less $$$.
     
  8. Groovegirls

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    You are right. The odds are good that this will end up a legal fight. And any long term organized effort will likely take money. However I want to say again. The county is right now working on a county wide noise ordinance. This is in direct response to the efforts of the AECEP. We have had many officials at our meetings. There was also a public meeting at the courthouse a while back. I am just going to go ahead and say it. No entertainer outside of Southen Groove/Rebel Yell and Duke have been to one single meeting. That courthouse room was full but it should have been overflowing. No money or lawyers needed for this one folks. (Although Lyod Blue has been at our meetings to offer advice based on his experiences locally and legally)Call the Code Dept. Call your local, county and state representitives and lets get our voices heard before we need "Lawyers, Guns and Money" ( if you got that reference, you are old like me). As far as signs and such, that is not enough but it does get the word out and raises awareness and it allows more people to get involved. The main thing we need is support from the people of Walton County. If any one wants to support our effort in any way, I welcome and thank you in advance.
     
  9. Groovegirls

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    I just read my post and wanted to say sorry Redd. I didn't intend to sound like I was scolding you. I get worked up about this subject.
     
  10. weatabix

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    please let us know when and where, because I promise we will get involved....whatever it takes to make the changes....Pandora's and all the other great venues in South Walton need our voices.....Thanks for all the support! Steve and Sue from Coconut Radio......
     
  11. Susan Horn

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    I'm so glad to see all the passion on this issue. Here's a perfect opportunity for folks to get to know their county commissioners, speak up, write letters, and have their voices heard and responded to. Patience and persistence are essential.

    I share the puzzlement as to why we keep having to reinvent the wheel, and as one who's served on a number of quasi-legislative boards writing some of these ordinances, I cannot begin to suggest an explanation. I have tried and generally got nowhere.

    But I must say, consultants aren't all bad. Part of why we keep reinventing the wheel is because the powers that be seem to have a strong distaste for paying to bring in folks who craft municipal ordinances for a living and know how to write them so that they can be understood, followed and enforced effectively and withuot expensive lawsuits. Instead, TPTB put well intentioned laypeople (citizens apointed to the boards and task forces) and equally well intentioned county staff in the impossible position of coming up with codes out of the blue. The result is ultimately, I believe, far more expensive in terms of lawsuits and county staff time/$$ than it would be to pay an expert facilitator/code writer to assist in getting rules on the books that we can all live with.

    I am certain the roots of this must be political, but I am so far from being a natural born politician that that entire realm leaves me reeling with confusion.

    I'm all behind any effort that brings about positive change in the process whereby Walton County addresses these univeral community issues -- issues that no doubt will continue painfully and expensively for us all unless we make the needed changes.
     
  12. Kurt Lischka

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    There was a consultant paid in 2003-2004 to write the original ordinance. A lot of the language was pulled from Destin's ordinance.
     
  13. Susan Horn

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    Kurt, thanks, good to know. Maybe if the consultant's participation is why our ordinance is so ineffective/confusingly written, this is why people object to the hiring of consultants, LOL.

    I wonder if Destin's ordinance is as vague as Walton County's as to the standard for determining nuisance-volume music?

    I also wonder about the apparent failure of law enforcement to follow the steps provided in the ordinance -- are they not receiving proper training? Any time I've had any dealings with Walton County Sheriff's Dept., the officers have been very courteous and responsive, even when handing me a speeding ticket :bang: I confess I still haven't gotten over being fined for a glass bottle on the beach when right next to me were a Hummer and 2-3 other vehicles without beach permits, lots of dogs without permits, etc. I think I was the easiest target at the moment.
     
  14. Smiling JOe

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    Allow me to jump in without complete knowledge here, but all of the information which I was posting about the noise ordinance earlier, is all specific to the area of Grayton Beach, defined by hwy 30A to the north and Grayton Beach State Parks to the east and west. I believe it is unique and specific to Grayton Beach only, not the rest of the County, and as I understand it, it has been on the books for a while, not written by a consultant in 2003-2004. Perhaps that is the County wide ordinance that was written by the consultant.
     
  15. GoodWitch58

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    Susan, that is interesting. I have been thinking for a long time that I would like to see some stats on speeding (and other) tickets issued

    I bet they are more often than not issued to females and older people; I see so many trucks and especially construction trucks, speeding on highway 98, but I have never in the 10 years I have lived here; seen one of the construction vehicles (dump trucks, etc.) that has been stopped by a cop--although I know I have been passed by them when they were going at least 75 mph in a 45, 55 or 60 mph zone.

    I think there is something to going after the target that is perceived to be the easiest. Like when the cops "hide" in the bushes on JD Miller Road and ticket someone who is going 40 in a 35 mph zone, on a empty road. No, I have not gotten a ticket, but I know folks who have...and, most of the men I know who get stopped, more often than not, are just given warnings...at least more often than the women.

    I would prefer to see the LEOs out on 98 dealing with people who are weaving in and out of traffic, speeding, and tailgating, In other words, the ones who are truly being a safety hazard....

    Just my 2cents:dunno: Sorry, did not mean to hijack the noise thread...
     
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  16. Susan Horn

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    Goodwitch,

    I hadn't thought of it in those terms (more women getting tickets than men) but it's sure worth investigating. I have noticed a lot of the same as you describe -- really dangerous drivers don't get stopped; folks going a little over the limit get speed-trapped (that would be moi). The speed limit goes up and down so often on 98, even when you are familiar with it, it's easy to get distracted and forget to slow down. The scariest place by far, to me, is 395/98 intersection. I do wish TPTB would take another look at that and try to put something in place to mitigate the problem at least if not solve it.

    Sorry to continue the hijack. Maybe if this topic wants to continue, we should start a new thread?
     
  17. Busta Hustle

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    May I offer as a solution that walco establish an adult party zone somewhere on hwy 98, along the likes of Rush street in Chicago, where a large variety of music venues be allowed.
    Planning and zoning with Mixed use never works for someone wanting to bring night life to a community, and lets face it 30-a is residential.
    The only way to party on 30-a is to build a sound proof bunker.
    And remember if music is outlawed only outlaws will have music.:D
     
  18. Groovegirls

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    That is not a bad idea for the future. In fact it has come up before. Quiet areas could be designated too. The problem with doing that now is that it would effectively close the bars that already exist on 30a. And who is gonna buy the property from them? They all are running legal, licecsed businesses. They shouldn't have to move. Of course, the homeowners could also say the same thing if you turn this the other way and designate the current bars as Party Zones. Which then brings us back the bars on 30a (most of em) have been there a long time. Why should they have to move or change. I really hope people contact the county. If my suspicions are true most of the complaints are not legitimate but I have no way to prove my theory except see how many people speak up. Unfortuneatly we can not call to complain about the silence so by design only one side of the story is truly heard. Either way everybody needs to make their opinion heard or we will likely end up back in the same place dealing with the same problem. One argument that has been raised more than once is that the bars are bad or doing something that they shouldn't. To me that is a seperate issue. If a bar or its staff are breaking the law then they should have to answer to the law but it is a seperate issue. Its like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. And it seems to me that most people appreciate the bars. So I say again. Make your voice heard by those that represent you!
     
  19. Groovegirls

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    That is what I understand too and I have done a lot of research and talked to lots of people and seen lots of documents and I am still confused which is the root of the problem. How can someone abide by a law that is vague and varied and confusing. No one semms to have a clear understanding of the law. Back in the day everybody seemed to manage their noise based on time and day and it seemed to work until complaints started to come in earlier and earlier.
     
  20. Groovegirls

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    Just got off the phone with the Walton Sun. They will be calling some of you too. This is a great opportunity to be heard! Please take advantage of it!
     

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