Petition to Ban Confederate Flag from Walton County Courthouse

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  1. Kaydence

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    Jensky, he didn't bring this issue back up that would be John G who shared a post recently about the revival of what should be a dead issue.
     
  2. Jenksy

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    Nope but the troll came out from under his bridge when he saw the topic rise from the muck.

    Sorry Trump fans but racism isn't dead. :sosad::afro:
     
  3. Kaydence

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    Name calling isn't supposed to be allowed here @Jensky but you sure get away with your share of it. Just because someone doesn't agree with you or post here often enough to suit you doesn't make them a troll.

    It would probably behoove you to look up the definition of troll as well. Trolls only post to attack others in drive by attacks like the way you are doing now and the way @Tyrone Magnanimous has done.
     
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    Bob Wells, Maybe we are all "imaginary" in this forum :) Maybe these words I am typing are imaginary. Maybe anyone who has a different opinion than you is imaginary. Your use of the word is an example of how uncivil this thread and people have become. For the record I do not believe you are an imaginary person or have imaginary facts. Who said what, where and when is history. Just like the removal of Confederate Flags and Confederate Memorials once again history is disappearing :sosad:

    Jensky, I thought about responding to your trolling around and decided your words speak for themselves...
     
  5. Bob Wells

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    Actually, I am a little upset. I don't remember calling anyone a troll. If I did it I would own it, the problem is you have accused me of something and up to this point without proof. You have said Kurt was involved yet he denies it. All I have asked is proof, and all you want to do is fade away. You are upset by my belief you imagined something and I shouldn't take offense at your accusation. As I said, you prove it, I will own it but don't get your panties in a wad because you are called on it. As for your opinion on this thread you are more than entitled to your opinion no matter how right you believe you are and no matter how wrong I might believe you are.
     
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    A few hundred armed militia group members, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Ku Klux Klaners, supporters of President Donald Trump, and other self-described patriots descended upon the Gettysburg battlefield Saturday, some carrying semi-automatic rifles, to defend the site’s Confederate symbols from phantom activists who never showed up. Saturday’s rally in Gettysburg showed pro-Confederate activists increasingly agitated, armed, and itching for a fight even when there is no one to clash with them although they did draw first blood when one member shot himself in the leg. They sang the National Anthem, pledged allegiance to the flag and then said in unison, "I salute the Confederate flag with affection, reverence and undying devotion to the cause for which it stands."

    Billy Snuffer, who identified himself as the Imperial Wizard for the Rebel Brigade of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, said,
    "The Confederate battle flag has nothing to do with slavery, this is our history, this is our heritage.”
    He said this while standing in the same area where 154 years ago the Confederate Army marched into town abducting free black Americans and sending them to the South to be sold into slavery.

    #MAGA
     
  7. Kaydence

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    Bob Wells, Please accept my apologies. I have zero intent on making anyone upset. I was almost relieved that I was banned from the forum because of the complete uncivil nature from the side of those that wanted to remove the Confederate Flag. You're right in that my memory could be faulty but I did not imagine those posts. Maybe I have the wrong bob or the wrong time frame but those posts are a fact. I also know that posts can be removed by the moderators. Usually the moderators will ask the poster if okay to remove the post but I was never asked. I don't want to push this issue but if you do please ask Kurt. I simply can not prove that a post exists if it has been removed.

    It is hurtful to be "accused" of something without facts to support the accusation. I understand this well. After reading the 84 pages of accusations and judgements coming from the side of the Confederate Flag removers did you even once consider that I was being accused and judged by people who had zero facts about me as a person? I doubt it. There are people (not you) in this forum that are accusatory and judgemental and very uncivil. It seems that the moderators allow this behavior in some of the very worse with those behaviors. Why do you think that is? During the last two years I keep going back to the forum to find information on county government only because I am interested. I have no axe to grind except that in general people are becoming more uncivil, less compromising and down right hateful of those that have a differing opinion. I am not upset but I am very interested in why you would be upset over calling me troll but not that there are people calling other people racist without knowing them personally. You read those 84 pages and seem to be reacting only to the fact that I must have imaginary memories because you did not find those posts. All I ask is that you let this go because if your memory is worse than mine then others will have to explain what happened to those posts for their own integrity...
     
  9. Poppaj

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    Protecting your heritage in Charlottesville, Virginia.
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  10. Kaydence

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    Isolated hate group and not one anyone here locally has any control over.

    I hate Trump too but would never join a group like that. :D
     
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    Poppaj you are so good at connecting dots in a simple square box. Those pictures do not represent anything but ignorance. People standing next to the KKK holding Confederate Flags only represent themselves. Without more information you will never know what they really represent. Oh sure, you can assume away. Go ahead and keep trolling these pictures around like it proves some point for you about the Confederate Flag if it makes you feel better for African American minorities. However might I suggest you clean around your own back yard. What have you done to promote minority inclusion in your own community? If it is nothing then I understand why you hang on to your box. It is called distraction from reality. If you read ALL history you will find racism, white supremacy and racial intolerance existed in the North, East, West and South. I quoted your hero Abraham Lincoln earlier in this thread, did you read it? The founders of this great country were racist just as Lincoln, Grant and Sherman. Lincoln and Sherman allowed the rape of white and black women in the South. Grant owned slaves longer than Lee and Jackson. If you want to talk lynchings, burning at the stake, hangings and genocide do you also need to believe that this only happened in the South? You trash Southern Heritage (including the Confederate Flag) just as those people in your pictures. Both of you must have a very small box from which to think. I want to believe that people can be more inclusive, sensitive to others and be proud of their heritage all at the same time. If you are going to post pictures of hate groups and connect dots then that is what you do. I am not going to change your mind. Of course the can of worms in that way of thinking is that you should also be willing to look around your own back door to measure your sensitivity to African Americans, Native Americans, Women and any other groups of people who have been severely oppressed by white men. Otherwise it is just a box with nothing in it.
     
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    Poppaj these are not the racists you are looking for. Nothing to see here.
     
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    The pot calling the kettle Jensky.
     
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    Very powerful and information filled meeting in SoWal tonight.

    If you didn't attend or view on-line, you need to watch and hear all the opinions made by community members at the two different times during the meeting.

    Powerful on both sides.

    Looks as if Can was kicked by BCC regardless of your views.
     
  15. Kaydence

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    The BCC actually voted to put this on the General Election Ballot 2018 and let the people decide. The majority spoke last time this issue came up and the upstarts in Sowal didn't get their way, one flag came down another went up. They didn't like that.

    So now, the people of Walton County will decide and they don't like that either. They are of the opinion that the BCC can dictate how things are going to be and we have untold problems with the BCC because of that way of thinking.

    I think if this had been placed on the ballot the last time we wouldn't be revisiting it now!
     
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    BTW Cecilia Jones...NICE representation of YOUR DISTRICT on the flag issue!

    You know the majority of your constituents want that flag left ALONE and you ducked out the first time this came before the board for a vote and tonight you passed the buck!!!

    If your constituents have no other reason to vote you OUT other than the fact that you have repeatedly failed to represent your district, this is certainly the BEST ONE I can think of!!

    P.S. Ursula, this is a NORTH WALTON issue and should have been heard in North Walton!
     
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    The gentleman that spoke during the public comments at the end of the meeting on how the flag came to be erected at the courthouse was especially impactful. His comments were different than anything I'd heard at previous meetings on this topic.
     
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    Eloquent speaker.

    I do however think its very presumptuous of someone to assume how that flag came to be erected on the Courthouse lawn in 1964. Those Commissioners are long since dead and dead men tell no tales.

    There is absolutely nothing in the Walton County Archives where a discussion was held as why those Commissioners voted as they did but there are ALLOT of ASSUMPTIONS as to why. The timing of it could simply have been coincidence and it could just be as local historians claim that it was to honor Walton Counties history and civil war dead.
     
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    True enough. Seems odd that there were no "minutes" or anything other than the vote, but I didn't interpret that the speaker was necessarily saying that those were the reasons the Board erected the flag, but rather that those were events taking place at that time. Perhaps the Board voted to erect the flag for reasons totally pure and honorable, but the "climate" at that time was certainly coincidental.
     
  20. Wouldnt You Like To Know

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    Honestly do you think there was a better option than putting it on the ballet?
     

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