Quit claim of beach front land

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  1. JBBeached

    JBBeached Beach Comber

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    That's how it was before South Walton and 30A became a rental community. When it was mostly a second home community everyone knew everyone and everyone was friendly. The few rental houses back in the day were not the mega mansions rental homes we have today (that sleep 30) and the people were a whole lot friendlier than they are now. Many of the customary use advocates are encouraging some very rude behavior towards beachfront homeowners. Tourists and locals alike have been trying to instigate reactions from homeowners by exhibiting very poor behavior on the beach in front of the houses. That's unacceptable. The county and some of the outspoken proponents of customary use have caused a division in our community that won't go away no matter how the courts decide. The ugly things said and done are out there can't be taken back and won't be forgotten. Renters that have read about all the crap going on here are also trying to stir the pot with rude behavior. It's sad that this is what our community had become.
     
  2. Lake View Too

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    I agree with you that becoming a completely rental community dominated by absentee owners is what got us to this terrible place. Local proponents in favor of preserving the human right of customary use of the beaches aren't trying to instigate the increase in rude behavior. They are just genuinely angry at the destruction of the beauty of this beach. The truly sad part is that the rude behavior that BFO's use for their excuse to perpetrate this land grab are not locals. They are tourons. This community was made up of nice, gentle people before the invasion of arrogant mega-wealth and monster houses.
     
  3. Jenksy

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    It is the beachfront homeowners trying to keep people from enjoying the beach who are causing division. Their lawyers make a rude beachgoer look like little baby Jesus.

    Causing a ruckus to protect people's right to walk our beaches is power to the people.
     
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  4. Shannon Lince

    Shannon Lince Beach Lover

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    Wrong. It is the few very vocal CU advocates using the COUNTY and taxpayer dollars to SUE the beach property owners forced to defend themselves in court using their own money.

    Thank you for suing me.

    Shannon
     
  5. Jenksy

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    Why not sell and get a house that is private, away from tourists?
     
  6. FloridaBeachBum

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    Have you not read beachfront owners posts that are LOCALS, not "tourons" or even if the majority of owners reside somewhere else; their property rights are the same as your property rights - except to the MHWL. The COMMISSIONERS and those that want what you want, when you want it, those who do not respect private property rights, respect the law and Constitution, who are angry because they are ignorant of the law and of change, are rude calling owners "tourons" and vilifying owners for protecting their property rights from the Walton commissioners's illegal private property land grab, a private land grab that is commissioner's quick "fix" to their beach supply/demand failure. LOCALS like me that are rich for other reasons but not wealthy. LOCAL owners who have to rent their beachfront to pay the multiple tens of thousands of dollars for Walton property taxes. I've paid more in property taxes over the decades than we paid for the property! There is NO "human right of customary use" except in your and other's mind. Show me the facts! Where do you get the human right to customary use. STOP with the vilification of beachfront owners protecting their US Constitutional rights. You are not representative of the nice, gentle locals, locals like me and other beachfront owners, that I know.
     
  7. FloridaBeachBum

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    Most owners have a house that is private and don't mind most respectful and considerate tourist or residents. Why don't you respect the Constitution and private property rights and use the NINE miles of public beach?
     
  8. jodiFL

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    Why should everyone else have to suffer because some people spent above their means? I could have bought beach front back when I moved to SOWAL (30+ years ago) but I took into consideration the costs of taxes,insurance,repair/replacement in the event of a hurricane, etc. and decided it just wasnt worth it. Its "keeping up with the Jones (and huckabees and bryants)" at its finest.
     
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  9. Teresa

    Teresa SoWal Guide Staff Member

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    Thank you @ShallowsNole for sharing your experiences and knowledge from your work with Walton County over the years.
     
  10. Lake View Too

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    Why don't you try reading more slowly, like at a Trump mentality. I said the "abuse" the BFO's keep bringing up, was done by "tourons", not locals. I didn't call any homeowner a "touron". If there is no such right as customary use of the beach, you got nothing to sweat about, do you? I think we are entitled to a chance to prove this in a court of law, don't you? Why are you villifying people that just want to carry on with what they have been doing for hundreds of years. YOU and your signs and your lawyers are the agent of change, and that change isn't morally right. When you got here, when your purchased your property, there were people using the beach in the custom they have always used it, and you were well aware of it.
     
  11. James Bentwood

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    Personally I would never own a house where people could even walk by and see me on my porch or see in my windows. But that's me. Seems like a lot of gulf front owners feel the same but bought a house with tons of people all around them. That's a ton of money to spend to be so miserable.

    Maybe they'd be happier in more private places instead of somewhere that people are going to be swimming, sunning, playing, partying, fornicating or who knows what. If you got to be on the beach find one that doesn't have all that. If that doesn't exist quit trying to kill yourself and pissing off 99% of the population in the process. What a waste of time and energy to pit yourself against the never ending waves of humanity. Look at the surf outside your window and imagine it is people. Never ending.
     
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  12. Lake View Too

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    My syntax was shotty, but by the time I recognized it, I couldn't edit any more. It should have read: The rude behavior you claim instigated all this, was done by tourons, not locals.
     
  13. Emerald Drifter

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    Shannon,

    6000 (and counting) CU affadavit signers is "the few very vocal"? Nice try in trying to frame CU advocates as a minority. They are not, in fact, the minority.
     
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  14. Teresa

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    The count is almost 8000... from Florida Beaches For All on Sep 12:
    7959 notarized affidavits... and counting!

    From the massive stack collected at the Sept 8th hearing my feeling is that the community is very strongly in support of Customary Use. We are just discovering how and who is behind singling out our beaches for privatization. Has this happened anywhere else in Florida? If so where? We are a unique and beautiful beach community. I hope we can work together and keep it that way. I agree we need to do a lot of work on leadership of beach activities, more access and parking, more enforcement, fewer vendors. So let's do those things.

    Really appreciate so many people, volunteers, notaries, businesses, restaurants, groups and offices around town pulling together over the last few months to get the work done. No matter what may happen, this community is incredibly hard working and positive about protecting our beaches and future. I am proud of this town. Thankful to live here.

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  15. FloridaBeachBum

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    I live within my means. That's why we own our beachfront free and clear. 30 years ago beach house with 50 ft of beachfront was what $150,000. Great investment. But now have to pay Walton commissioners 2018 $171,400,000 taxes and deal with incompetent commissioners. Over the decades those Walton taxes add up to more than what we paid for the property.

    Understand you didn't think it was worth it then; why, because you thought you could use everyone else private property? Not how the law works. Owner's have the right to let others use their private property or not. You want to demand private property use and support the commissioners litigating against Constitutional private property rights - I and many owners will not be so gracious should private property rights prevail over an obscure common law.
     
  16. FloridaBeachBum

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    ShollowNoles, care to share your real name so your Walton experience, years of County service, and knowledge can be fact checked? Your factual posts do not convey you know the facts. And it's the Coastal Construction Control Line (CCCL). Not CCL. And the title legal description does matter - not what you think or the spirit of the beach. That's the facts.
     
  17. FloridaBeachBum

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    Indeed the public who want something for nothing is a majority. Fortunately, the United States of America has the rule of law and the majority does not rule - or everything the majority wanted would be customary use.
     
  18. Lake View Too

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    First of all, there is a CCL line. It's the County's Coastal Control Line, and differs from the state CCCL line. Few people know this, so your ignorance can be overlooked. Shallownoles was born and bred in this County and probably knows more about this county and this County government than anybody around here. Including you. If you were so sure about your legal position why are you out here denigrating everybody. This seems a whole lot like the Trump strategy: When you know the Law isn't on your side, you play the victim, and try to spin this issue in the court of public opinion. Public opinion is against you. Trump's approval rating is about at 35% and you have about 4 posters on this site who share your sentiments. Give it a break.
     
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  19. FloridaBeachBum

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    If there is a Walton County "Coastal Control Line" it must be documented in a regulation somewhere. Can you provide your reference to verify? Because that goes to credibility. If it's opion - everyone has one of those. Not denigrating (criticize unfairly) anyone or everyone. I have made statements that can be verified with facts - like the CCCL. What does Trump have to do with anything? What does public opinion have to do with the law? Either you have facts or you don't. I'm not a lawyer but it is a lawyers' adage; If you have the law on your side, argue the law; if you have the facts, argue the facts; if you have neither, pound the table. Facts please, not emotional table pounding opinions.
     
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  20. jodiFL

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    It was the people that "have to rent " out their homes to pay the taxes that I was referring to. Way too many people bought with no intention of ever actually occupying the mega house they built on the beach. They did it with every intention of renting it and making a small fortune off it, effectively turning it into a business venture, NOT a home. They give the reins over to a rental company and only collect a check and have no say over the people that occupy it every week. Its those people that pay ungodly amounts for a week,have no respect for anything,and figure the cleaning fee included in the rental will cover everything. But you dont see those housekeepers out on the beach cleaning up the mess. They leave that for the county/TDC to do. It is that kind/class of visitors that have created most of the problems.
     

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