Schism in the Democratic Congress over the Second Amendment

[30A Skunkape]

i know all the terms john, and fortunately full auto owners are not mainstream. the defending liberty excuse doesn't cut it with me. you guys are all trying to make up for something severely lacking in your lives.

Of course gun nuts are odd, but I bet they are the most responsible gun owners out there. Without looking at the statistics I feel safe guessing that the vast majority of US gun crimes are commited with handguns, not assault rifles (or any type of rifle, for that matter). Why not move to outlaw handguns since they are clearly a larger menace than the guns collected by Soldier of Fortune readership types who treat their weapons like babies?

 

[Santiago]

Actually, Bob, the correct term is Title II- Class 3 refers to the dealer designation, and I own several. They are quite legal and available. And yes, defending liberty from those who would take it away is the only reason I own any weapon. Self-defense and hunting are incidental.

What he said.

 

[Santiago]

There is no changing the fact that there are many guns whose intended purpose is to kill people and commit crimes with them.

What is so wrong with getting rid of those weapons, making people register them, or having basic restrictions about who can own them - like barring convicted felons or mentally ill people from purchasing them?

The government isn't trying to take away everyone's guns - they're trying to lower the body count and make us all safer.

What is wrong is that you are not really getting rid of them. You're only keeping them from the non criminal. I'm pretty sure convicted felons or mentally handicapped people can't purchase them now.

 

[scooterbug44]

What is wrong is that you are not really getting rid of them. You're only keeping them from the non criminal. I'm pretty sure convicted felons or mentally handicapped people can't purchase them now.

And making it that much harder for a criminal to get. I am not naive enough to think you stop all gun sales, but it is certainly harder to get a gun when you can't get it from any legitimate dealer and the company that manufactures it isn't supplying them.

No, sadly that is not true. Thanks to people worried about their "right to bare arms" neither of those criteria keeps someone in the US from getting a gun. If someone who was mentally ill was truly unable to buy a gun, V Tech wouldn't have happened!

 

[woodworker]

I know! Let's outlaw gun stealing !!! :funn:

 

[6thGen]

And making it that much harder for a criminal to get. I am not naive enough to think you stop all gun sales, but it is certainly harder to get a gun when you can't get it from any legitimate dealer and the company that manufactures it isn't supplying them.

No, sadly that is not true. Thanks to people worried about their "right to bare arms" neither of those criteria keeps someone in the US from getting a gun. If someone who was mentally ill was truly unable to buy a gun, V Tech wouldn't have happened!

I'll ask again. What convinves you that controlling an inexpensive yet highly demanded product works? Prohibition? The War on Drugs?

Also, who is the new guy?

 

[poppy]

You want to talk about a tired argument, take away law abiding citizens constitutional rights because some guy "might" act on racist inclinations. Why not take away his car that he might run you over with, his steak knife that he could stab you with, his baseball that he might....I think even you might get the drift. The bottom line gay boy is that anyone with criminal intent that wants to buy a gun and blow your ass away will, no matter what the law says. You don't need protection from law abiding citizens. I think that a government that is too powerful is a much bigger threat than my owning a gun.

A tired argument indeed, a car, baseball, brick, and tire iron etc. were not designed to blow a hole in flesh, be it animal or human. Guns were designed for killing and nothing else. I don't own any guns and don't mind if you do, but can't there be a limit on the type that is of no use in hunting? If you want to hang on to your automatic weapons then I'm going to hang on to my nuclear weapons, I refuse to be in second place in the civilian arms race.

 

[scooterbug44]

I'll ask again. What convinves you that controlling an inexpensive yet highly demanded product works? Prohibition? The War on Drugs?

Guns are slightly harder to make/bootleg than meth or moonshine and they aren't so inexpensive - to buy or keep loaded. Gunsmithing requires a great deal of skill and machinery..................or the problem solves itself. ;-)

Guns, bullets, (and soon firing pins) are also much more easy to track because of both their unique characteristics and the fact that they can hold a fingerprint.

 

[6thGen]

Guns are slightly harder to make/bootleg than meth or moonshine and they aren't so inexpensive - to buy or keep loaded. Gunsmithing requires a great deal of skill and machinery..................or the problem solves itself. ;-)

Guns, bullets, (and soon firing pins) are also much more easy to track because of both their unique characteristics and the fact that they can hold a fingerprint.

Maybe so, but guns are not consumed, and one gun is a hell of a lot cheaper than six months of crack. Obtaining one is much easier since you have to deal with one transaction instead of, say 26. Also don't need to be a gunsmith to import illegal weapons from foreign countries. Guns may be easy to track but they are also cheap enough and easy enough to dispose of after one or a few uses.

 

[Santiago]

And making it that much harder for a criminal to get. I am not naive enough to think you stop all gun sales, but it is certainly harder to get a gun when you can't get it from any legitimate dealer and the company that manufactures it isn't supplying them.

No, sadly that is not true. Thanks to people worried about their "right to bare arms" neither of those criteria keeps someone in the US from getting a gun. If someone who was mentally ill was truly unable to buy a gun, V Tech wouldn't have happened!

And a criminal will buy one easier than a mentally ill person. I'm sorry but if you are this hell bent on government controlling every facet of your life, you've got bigger problems than who has a gun.