Transgender Bathrooms in Walton County Schools

[Misty]

Discussing who goes to the bathroom where is such a waste of time and serves absolutely no purpose. The state laws are ridiculous and need to be repealed.

I believe Obama is attempting to protect school children from discrimination that these laws bring. But he should probably stay out of it and above it.

This isn't a State law Teresa...it is being mandated by the Federal Government. On 13 May 2016, the U.S. Department of Education Office of Civil Rights and the U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division issued a joint "Dear Colleague" that included "significant guidance" to schools about civil rights protections for transgender students under Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972. The letter detailed federal guidelines for transgender students and bathroom use and provided definitions for the terms "Gender identity," "Sex assigned at birth," "Transgender," and "Gender transition".

 

[Teresa]

Obamas directive is not state law, of course. But it's in response to discrimination and problems resulting from recent state laws. Of course it's now hugely political. My only point is that it was never an issue. Until said States decided to write laws.

 

[PoppaJ]

Just another example of the right-wing fearmongering something and attempting to deny a group basic rights they themselves enjoy just because the individuals in the group are "different". These simple minded people are also demonstrating their ignorance of the factors that determine sexual identity. Trans people pose you no harm. I know it's a lot to ask of stupid pleople, but please just once could you be on the right side of history?

 

[Misty]

Obamas directive is not state law, of course. But it's in response to discrimination and problems resulting from recent state laws. Of course it's now hugely political. My only point is that it was never an issue. Until said States decided to write laws.

Which are?

 

[Danny Glidewell]

Parents and school staff did not start this. Conservatives did not start this. People in favor or traditional values did not start this. Obama, radical LGBT activists and liberals started this. Now the state must pass laws that were unnecessary to protect the privacy rights of students and staff from the unreasonable edicts of the national government. If you were a school staff member would you feel protected if you were using the facilities designated for your sex and a 15 year old student of the opposite sex walked in? Or would you be comfortable with a 16 year old boy decided he was a girl today and went into the girl's shower with your 15 year old daughter? These "guidelines" are ill-conceived and will open a Pandora's box of problems for the school system. This was a non-issue but Obama has forced us to fight back against his delusional social engineering.

 

[PoppaJ]

Ignorance on full display. Where in the hell do you think transgendered people have been going to the bathroom for decades? Which came first North Carolina bathroom bill or Obama directive?

 

[Teresa]

Danny does have a point. It started with LGBT rights finally coming to good people who have waited long years for equality. And then went from there to sudden transgender bathroom legislation in North Carolina and now sweeping the country, impacting our children in schools. Interesting reading to see who was behind it all and how we got here (Ted Cruz ilk). I guess we all have our own perspective on bathrooms and equality.

Do schools need to fear the Obama directive? I would like to think not. I think our schools are mostly fair and protective of our kids.

 

[PoppaJ]

Danny does have a point. It started with LGBT rights finally coming to good people. And then went from there to sudden transgender bathroom legislation in North Carolina. Interesting reading to see who was behind it all and how we got here. I guess we all have our own perspective on which came first. Human rights or discrimination.

It's always a problem for many when people overcome fear and step forward to demand rights guaranteed them in our laws and the Constitution. I realize many of them never got over the demise of the three restroom two water fountain system of the "good ol' days" when people knew their place.

Edit: Conservative types did start it. It's been going on for generations.

 

[Misty]

I consider myself pretty liberal Danny (at least by your standards) but I'm not about boys who "feel" like they are girls using the girls restrooms. I'm not homophobic by any stretch, I think what you do or who you do it with in the privacy of your own home is your business, not mine, not the governments.

Poppaj...this is less about where transgender people have historically used the restroom than it is about..... where CHILDREN use the bathroom according to the sex they were assigned at birth. I'd also ask how many children (birth through 18 years of age) do you know who have had sexual reassignment surgery? My guess is NONE because that type of surgery is historically performed on ADULTS!

I shared a post in "just a funny" the other day and you were very quick to respond with a comment that gave the illusion you consider me a redneck. I'm not and never have been a confederate flag waiver nor am I opposed to those who wave it proudly. Likewise someones sexual orientation isn't offensive to me personally but I am drawing a line in the sand if you think it's acceptable for young boys to pee with little girls because of how they "feel".

The questions that post posed then becomes real...where do you draw the line? Should a 16 year old who identifies as a 21 year old be allowed to buy alcohol? Shouldn't I (at 60 years of age) with continuing health problems be allowed to draw Social Security because my body feels like a 62 year old? If so, make that argument for me with the Soc Sec Admin. because they aren't buying it from me. I'm not buying into the idea that young children have any real idea of what their sexual identity is with no life experiences to pull from.

 

[Danny Glidewell]

There is a failure in your logic poppaj. If transgender people have been using whichever bathroom they choose, which I agree was the case, then why did we need to pass mandates and Obama issue directives? The North Carolina law was passed in response to an ordinance passed by the City of Charlotte. So the left started this. If there was no problem, then why? Also, I fail to find any mention of bathroom rights in the Constitution. But I have heard liberals say for 40 years that there was a right to privacy in it. So, young girls and boys do not have the right to privacy in a locker room or bathroom at school? Or a 50 year old female teacher does not have the right to use the bathroom without a 16 year old boy coming into the room with her? Use your head for something besides a hat rack and think about the end consequences of such a thing. Target is a private business, if they want to open up their bathrooms to whomever then have at it, I do not have to shop there. But a school is something totally different. The rights of the vast majority of children and staff in our schools should not be sacrificed just so liberals can feel warm and fuzzy.