Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

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  1. FloridaBeachBum

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    If there was any question of the Customary Us Militant, the Ends Justify the Means, spend however much of Walton tax payers money it takes strategy?

    April 2016 Dave Rauschkolb NW FL Daily [CU] News
    "Oh yes, we will spend whatever it takes and put as much time in as is necessary. Good luck sir but you will not win this one with ease if at all. We are all in it for the long run and don't think we don't have the money to see this through; we are far from afraid of the money of a few [now 650+] beach front homeowners. There are far, far more property owners in South Walton who have invested in this area and will demand to have customary use of the [private property] beaches. They are from all over America and have plenty of money to organize a war chest to fund this if necessary. ... Game on."

    How much are Walton Commissioners willing to spend of Walton tax payers money to fight the war on public customary use of private property?
    October 25, 2016 Commissioner Comander answer, $40,000,000 or $50,000,000 tax payer dollars. That may be double that if private property owners prevail and that’s no gaslighting.
    Board of County Commissioners on 2016-10-25 9:00 AM - Regular Meeting - Oct 25th, 2016
    Click link and press Play.

    March 13, 2018 Walton BCC Regular Meeting
    Commissioner Toney Anderson. As long as I’m drawing a breath we [Commissioners] are going to fight for this.
    Board of County Commissioners on 2018-03-13 4:00 PM - Regular Meeting - Mar 13th, 2018

    March 21, 2018. South Walton REALTOR publicly announced meeting hosted by REALTOR CEO Keith Dean, with Florida House Representative Brad Drake [who voted for HB631 along with a super majority of the FL legislature and Governor, rebuking 5 partisan Commissioners], Commissioner Tony Anderson, Walton Administrator and former Commissioner Larry Jones, and Walton Attorney Heather Christmann that was a follow up to the March 15, 2018 REALTOR/Walton Strategic meeting.
    Tony Anderson; “Anyway. We feel fortunate we got the language we [Walton County] wanted in there [2018 HB631]. We feel fortunate the [Florida Legislator] Speaker let it [HB631] pass with it [the language] in there. ... The battles, we may have lost the battle; but we’re going to win the war.”

    Aug 28, 2018 Walton BCC Regular meeting.
    Commissioner Toney Anderson praises Florida Beaches for All REALTOR Liz McMasters (on screen right) and Keith Dean, CEO Emerald Coast Association of REALTORS (ECAR) Board of Directors and Membership (3,500 REALTORS) as "warrior for customary use" for customary use. Another reason beachfront property owners should tell Walton REALTORS beachfront owners will use Bay county REALTORS and not Walton Realtors. Board of County Commissioners on 2018-08-28 9:00 AM - Regular Meeting - Aug 28th, 2018

    May 2019. Disturbing CU advocate posts on FB active shooter video "solving" private beaches by shooting trespassers?
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    2018 Staged altercations by attorneys with law enforcement and May 26, 2019 not so social media posts “We will win this battle [to use private property beaches] with the help of brave beach soldiers like yourself.”
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    2018 2nd Staged FB Ulhfelder Video.jpg bill-nelson-in-walton-county Vizcaya.jpg

    Beachfront owners never considered and did not need to mark the property boundaries in accordance with the Sheriff's trespass SOP or security guards before disrespectful aggressive customary beach users, the staged for anti-social media beach altercations, "Survey Says" beliefs, national staged political stunts, hoax beach fences for media attention, fake police reports on private property advocate, active shooter beach video, and a militant CU strategy to mobilize the beach soldiers with unsubstantiated "beliefs" and not facts or understanding of the law.

    I wonder where I can hire security for our private beach if/when needed?
     
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  2. Reggie Gaskins

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    Not only is Dave Rauschkolb's Watersound beach and Daniel Uhlfelder's Watercolor beach BOTH PRIVATE, they BOTH INTERVENED AGAINST customary use of their beaches.

    See court documents 167, 400, and 264.
     
  3. FloridaBeachBum

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    The residents of Watersound and Watercolor will no doubt offer they believe that access and use are 2 alternative different things.

    Question for Customary Use supporters - Public density across the beaches?
    Access and use, convenience advantages & solutions for housekeeping on our beach
    Read all the posts on the pages.

    BTW. NO Seaside 30A beach-side LLC business owns beachfront. The Seaside developer owns the dunes, constructed walkovers, and dry sand to the MHWL in Seaside. All fact in Walton Property Appraiser and Clerk of Court public records. The Seaside developer is 1 of the 650+ private property owners intervening against Walton’s public customary use of private property litigation too.
     
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    I live in the south but I am not for ignorance, lynchings, sister love, beer, NASCAR and pickup trucks. If I were to live in a community with a "private" beach it wouldn't mean I was for or against the issue. Dumb argument.
     
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  5. FloridaBeachBum

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    But you could make an argument in the past all those activities you listed should be protected in the South by the belief in customary use if you use the same criteria used by CU advocates for public customary use use of private property. Just sayin. The common law doctrine of custom is not just for highly desired private beachfront. Could be hunting land, Bay shores, river banks, lake shores, contracts, family law ... whatever the surveys and polls show?
     
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    Yep, and let’s not forget Theriaque (attorney for county FOR customary use) successfully defended private property owners against hunters (AGAINST customary use) who “customarily used the land for hunting”.

    I’ll go out on a limb....hunting has always been more of a custom than sitting on the beach with a mai-tai.
     
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    It just proves they are hypocritical, something I’ve argued for a very long time. They could have just as easily purchased a home with its own private beach near a public access and then donated that beach to the county. Instead they chose exclusive communities where even if customary prevailed, they would be minimally impacted.

    Added...But now, they want us to do the donating.

    Oh yeah, you’re about to alienate a lot of people regarding your comment about beer, NASCAR and pickup trucks in the same thought train as ignorance and sister love....just an observation.
     
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    If you donated yours you could be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.
     
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    Well... maybe not all the residents of Watercolor and Watersound ...

    The president of Florida Beaches for All, Dave Rauschkolb, might consider explaining this "access principle" to his organization's attorney, Daniel Uhlfelder. Rauschkolb is very privileged to enjoy the private accesses to private Watersound beach, truly an enclave for the rich.

    And yet...
    Just this morning Uhlfelder posted on social media an article highly critical of a man's arrest for trespassing on a private access to a public beach, claiming "...rich bastards buying beachfront mansions and blocking access..."

    (Hmmmm.... Sounds kind of like Watersound to me....)

    Chasing ambulances is no worse than chasing click-bait fame.

    When are we going to see a viral harassment video stunt filmed at one of FBFA founders' private beaches of Watersound or Watercolor?

    Oh. And before I forget,
    Uhlfelder literally publicly tweeted these exact words this morning at 8:26am, "Eat the rich".
     
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    Can someone on this thread please explain to me how CU advocates can get away with statements like Daniel Uhlfelder just made this morning? If a BFO said that, they would be villified. Also, how can pro CU folks get away with threatening statements that are all over social media since the video released this past weekend? It just seems there's a huge double standard. I can find lots of examples of pro CU people demeaning BFO's online, but can you find any BFO demeaning pro CU folks? It seems all of the name calling and double standard gives 30A a bad name. Weird since Uhlfelder lives and works in the area.
     
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    I thgink it's because hogging beaches is morally wrong and anti-human, while saying stupid stuff is, saying stupid stuff.
     
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    I get that you have an opinion about the beach, Dawn, and I respect your right to state it. And I hope that you would respect my right to my opinion. It's the vile name calling that I don't get. One thing we agree on, saying stupid stuff is saying stupid stuff. Unfortunately, I think the saying stupid stuff gives 30A a bad name- especially since all of this nonsense is going viral on social media.
     
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    You obviously havent read this thread in its entirety........
     
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    But I have, JodiFL. Please show me where any BFO on this thread has called any pro CU person names or made fun of them or threatened them, or wished them harm, or that their homes would be destroyed by hurricanes, etc.
     
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    I'm curious. Have you been to the beach? I keep seeing remarks from people about difficulties going to the beach or sitting on the beach and now "hogging" the beach. I am just not seeing this except in a few hot spots. Are people trying to find trouble?
     
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    Then you must have missed the "ignorant,emotional,mob,childish" parts of several posts here.
     
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    The passive-aggressive, trolling, smarter-than-you attitude is as bad as anything said or done. The beachfront owners on this thread are here to stir up trouble and little else. It is behavior that hasn't been tolerated on this site in the past and I for one look forward to you getting banned or slinking away soon as you cry and moan about unfair treatment and censorship. It's a common pattern we've seen repeated over the years on this site, usually from right wingers. They show up, troll, get rebuked, and cry victim.

    After reading for awhile it is obvious there is only about 3 beach hogs on here posting under multiple screen names as sock puppets. That is against forum rules.
    @BlueMtnBeachVagrant crabby self has posted on here for years so he gets a pass I guess.
     
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    Wow. I can only speak for myself. I am new to this forum. Although I have lived in the area for years, I had no idea this site existed until a friend shared it with me. I have truly enjoyed all of the different types of information here. I was intrigued by this thread because it seems to be an important issue in our community. I have never posted anything here to cause trouble. I have asked a question based on my observations. I don't make my comments personal, and I try to be reasonable. What I don't understand is your vitriol against me. I do not have multiple screen names, and I am no one's sock puppet. I find it interesting that just because someone has a different opinion than you, you want to see me banned. Is that the way we treat each other in our 30A community? By the way EZ4144, what's your real name? How do we know that you're not here under multiple screen names just to stir up trouble? I was hoping for an adult conversation about an apparent double standard, but I guess I won't find that here. I will go back to my earlier statement saying stupid stuff hurts our 30A community's reputation.
     
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    Wow!! “morally wrong and anti-human”? Really? Please define “morality”. Please define anti-human. Your morality? American founding fathers morality? Western hemisphere morality? Eastern hemisphere morality? Ancient culture morality? The morality incorporated in our American Constitution and laws?

    Morality - Wikipedia
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    That’s the 3rd time in this thread alone that morals have been brought up.

    “... tactic of moral superiority.” of CU replies.
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    “Legal deed or not, there is no moral justification.”
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    “ ... is morally wrong and anti-human ...”
    Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

    The implication is that the poster is morally superior and that beachfront property owners who stand up for their legal property rights are immoral. That facts and laws do not matter. That leads to name calling and other emotional responses to facts and the law.

    Credibility of the moral position suffers when the only response is name calling or making judgments of someone's immorality one feels or believes about another. Casting the first stone comes to mind.

    Dawn who are you to judge and what morality are you judging others by? The morality incorporated in our American Constitution and laws?
     
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    More baseless conspiracy theory conjecture. Why do you believe or what legal basis do you have for public customary use of private property except; just because, I believe in customary use, I saw it on an internet slide?

    If shining the light of facts on the illusion of opinions as facts is string up trouble there is a lot more stiring to do.

    Why don't you buy beachfront property and donate it? There are many properties for sale. What a hero you'd be.
     
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