Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by Reggie Gaskins, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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    As everyone knows, even Dave Rauschkolb agrees with that aspect. So why is it taking soooo long to implement a real remedy - eliminate vending on crowded public beaches?
     
  2. FactorFiction

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    This year, the 3 locations (Inlet, Ed Walline, Grayton Beach) had a pilot program. It doesn't eliminate vending, but it does make it first come, first serve. My understanding is that next year, all of the regional accesses will have a managed vendor program. Of course, I tend to be hopeful, but will wait and see if that's actually implemented.
     
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  3. mputnal

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    Reggie, here is some math. One percent of the population own about half of all available resources. The People are starting to complain. Exclusive use of the beach is not a good idea for beach front owners. The math is just not in your favor.
     
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    mputnal, the math has never been in BPOs favor and the people have BEEN complaining. That isn't new. Based on your statement, I guess you believe that the beach is our only resource in Walton County. That's a sad perspective. Does the Bay count? Do the forests count? Does farmland or timberland count? Do Defuniak Springs and Freeport count? I think so and I hope you do, too.
     
  5. mputnal

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    All resources are important and again 1 percent of human population own 50 percent of the world's available resources. This includes ALL other resources in Walton county including farmland and timberland and the Bay property. But this thread and this lawsuit is about the beach resource where tourism is King and the resource is spectacular. It is a misdirection to pivot to the other resources but I do understand your point. As I said earlier my family and I always go to a State Park when we go to the beach but a few weeks ago there was no parking places at Grayton Beach State Park. I put my family out at the access and then walked a good distance to "earn" my access to the beach I guess. The math will simply not support your exclusive use of the beach.

    To continue the math, 99 percent of our population must share 50 percent of our resources. I understand why the 1 percent would rather this be about constitutional rights and property rights instead of accepting the sharing of the beach. In the history of mankind an unequal and unfair distribution of resources is not sustainable. Keeping The People divided is good for the 1 percent but it will not last. I predict CU support will grow into a storm of protest. The BPO math is too simple. This problem is exponentially more complex. It would be better for everyone if leaders on both sides step back and come to some compromises. Maybe some type of limited exclusion where BPO's have a reserved parking spot for their friends and family on the beach or something where everyone wins and no one loses...The End (my posts are nothing more than a fairy tale for hope)
     
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    50 percent is an illusion since the 1 percent hold the money and power for the 99.
     
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    "Maybe I'll be there to take your hand, maybe I'll be there to share the land that they'll be giving away when we all live together". The socialist dream.
     
  8. mputnal

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    I think society in general has been given a load of BS regarding economic ideals. Wealth holds the power in both socialism and capitalism. Capitalism is better for society but once we allowed corporations to become too big to fail and allowed money to be a voice in politics it is just a matter of time before society suffers an unsustainable unequal distribution of resources. On just this thread you can go back and read how wealth justifies their bigger lot in life. Not all BPO's are in that 1% but every new building that goes up on the beach now is in that category. It is not just a house on the beach. It is not just about property rights. It is about a show of power and propaganda. Local government (The People) got some things wrong and made themselves a target of big politics and big money. If you can get The People mad enough it becomes about emotion. Both political sides do this and are practiced and smart about it.

    There is nothing we can do about the large buildings on the sand dunes. The solutions for all problems where people are split between two controlling forces is generally compromise. So this thread was meant to keep us divided between property rights and human rights aka conservative ideals and liberal ideals. Once the people are split between the two camps and compromise is taken off the table then it becomes about power. Guess what group wins the power play?

    We The People should try hard not to allow emotion to override our common sense but that is what people in power want. Ahh that word COMMON SENSE. It is two words. Common: we have similarities and common interest built in to our chemical and biological functions that effect our mental abilities. Fear is the emotion we are most vulnerable to. Sense: we have similar senses like touch, smell, hear, see and taste. Culture and Community does vary but we all want the same things. We are vulnerable to bias and prejudice.

    My point is that we have more in common than not. I would go have a drink or coffee and have a conversation with anyone. I would definitely learn something during that conversation. You see that is not what we do anymore because people (including myself) have conversations like this on a forum where there is just words and a keyboard and a monitor. I admit that I like to think and type but it is better to think and socialize face to face. Socialism is not evil. Capitalism is not evil. It does not have to be either/or on anything but we all struggle with being close minded and that includes myself. Medicare is socialism and is good but we have to pay for it. Capitalism brings to the table a hard work ethic and creativity but too big to fail leads to an unequal distribution of resources. What is wrong with utilizing the best of both? Oh, I can feel the zealots at work on both sides of that statement. Anyway the point is that we need to use our common sense instead of emotions like fear. It is easier said than done. THE END (of another fairy tale).
     
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    Capitalism is good for society? Have you noticed that our world is ending soon because of runaway capitalism?
     
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    You forgot your sarcasm emoji.
     
  11. mputnal

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    EZ4144 your statement was funny but it would have been better with a...little chicken :) Capitalism allowed us to become a superpower in a short time so I hope it is not too late to fix it. I do believe the gravy train has left the station and the middle class practically handed their ticket to the upper class. We never knew what hit us as the politics kept us all occupied with anger and fear. Whether you are Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos or Vladimir Putin it does not matter because wealth controls the economic system and breaks all rules of a free market system. Before getting upset with grouping these people together go take a look at the richest people on this planet. You don't get that rich without breaking some rules. Even Warren Buffet will tell you that and he is also in that group. Reggie, don't get excited I just believe in fairy tales right? Listen, I believe what I believe...until proven wrong...which happens on a daily basis :)
     
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    If you hadn't noticed the wolves are in the hen house and picking their teeth. Nothing but feathers left. I'm just waiting on the revolution.
     
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    Yes, the revolution. I don't believe I will be around when that happens. I hope it never happens but when you look back in history The People usually figure it out. It is not smart to hoard wealth and then boast about it. They believe The People are stupid and emotional and vulnerable to propaganda. I want to believe that Wealth has compassion but the truth is they want to be left alone to enjoy their bounties. Life is short and immediate gratification is human. I do understand what motivates this need to exclude people from their domain. You see it all the time behind gated communities that house both liberals and conservatives. I prefer neither political party where truth is a moving target. So, this thread started with some promise of community and common sense but in the end it was nothing more than a platform of deception and misdirection. What a waste of time!
     
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    Indeed!...regarding your class warfare rhetoric.
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    BMBV why would you use "warfare" rhetoric? Revolution means a change or reorganization of political power. Yes, history is full of war but I am of the opinion that that The People prefer to peacefully protest until changes are made in economic, social and political systems and policy. It has more to do with "change" not war. When resources become limited because of an unfair and unequal distribution The People become oppressed. When enough people become oppressed because of corruption and lack of resources then society will demand change. Maybe you have not been reading my post but it is the reason why I believe BPO's should share their bounty not exclude it from society.

    Most BPO posts in this thread are trying to blame the problems on local government and bad behaving people. They are actually boasting about owning the beach because they earned it fair and square and we the people just want something we did not earn. Apparently The People are not so sure about the fair and square part. I'm certainly not. Yes, property owners have rights but (yes there is a but) this is about a resource that is disappearing behind expansive buildings and now you want to exclude people from behind those buildings. I have repeated several times that my family and I do not go to the beach behind your buildings so I do NOT want something that you have. ONLY because of the attitudes (disconnected, deceiving and misdirecting rhetoric) by BPO's posting in this forum I and maybe a few others have decided to support CU. If CU loses in court this problem will not go away. I only have an opinion and I am not stating facts. One of the BPO's in this thread stated facts but they were not facts. Bad move.
     
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    Just damn, starting to miss Dave Rauschkolb. At least he’s a moving target I can understand.
     
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    Okay that is kind of funny but I know you understand my point: don't rock the boat unless you are prepared to swim in an ocean full of jelly fish...BTW it's a nice boat!
     
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    You do realize this lawsuit that has been cleverly sold to the innocent public under the banner of "customary use" is actually a wicked, greedy attempt to ROB thousands of innocent homeowners of ALL of key essential rights that come with property ownership.

    It's a scary, socialistic, slippery slope, my friends. And don't think for a minute that power-brokers won't extend this "majority-want-for-themselves" land grab concept beyond the beach.

    If you think you were already unhappy with the current over-development of Walton County, just wait till you see the HYPER DEVOLPMENT that will come with free-for-all, forced occupation (deceptively rebranded "customary use") of privately owned properties.

    S.O.S. Save our shores
     
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  19. mputnal

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    AF, this is not about over-development. That train has already left the station so that issue is irrelevant to the lawsuit. Robbing and land grabbing can be argued on both sides based only on my opinion so I consider that argument irrelevant to the lawsuit.

    No one has a right to call anyone wicked. Who did that?

    Greedy? Well that is a human trait.

    There are slippery slopes within our precious capitalism. I want capitalism to succeed forever but it won't unless we become more critical of the flaws. This statement plays on our emotion and/or comes from emotion. Either the fear is within you or you are promoting fear. I do not fear socialism. I do not prefer or desire socialism. Am I a socialist? If you answer yes the fear is within you.

    South Walton is over developed in relation to the infrastructure. I think BCC is aware. I agree with you they need to be more than aware. But again this is irrelevant to the lawsuit unless the Judge allows it relative.

    Trust me a lot of people are unhappy. I wish we could come up with a simple compromise on the exclusion part to those property rights and address all issues on the beach. I just shake my head that we are not able to do this. Good leaders and not those that throw around fear of the boogey man if you don't agree on something, need to step up to the plate. NOW
     
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    The socialists are coming! The socialists are coming! Hoo boy. Your maga hat is showing. :rolleyes:
     
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