Ebro Greyhounds

That is a bit of a stretch, even for a you. I don't boycott the pharmacy because somebody else sells crack on the corner. The card room comment is from my husband, I don't neccessarily agree with that part. Maybe "gaming" is a better use of the facility and a better job for the employees too.

How so? You (we're not supposed to share screen names on sowal) advocated boycotting the track and the card room based on an independent individuals actions. My point is perfectly valid that if that reasoning is used then we should boycott photographers because some paparazzi killed Princess Diana.

How so? You (we're not supposed to share screen names on sowal) advocated boycotting the track and the card room based on an independent individuals actions. My point is perfectly valid that if that reasoning is used then we should boycott photographers because some paparazzi killed Princess Diana.

OK, I see what you are saying. I guess my feeling is one bad apple busted could point a spotlight on many more abuses. Granted, not to this extreme, but even under "normal" conditions what a terrible life (and death) for the dogs! I must admit that I hope that the public will see that the dog racing business is not a savory affair and not support it in general. I have nothing against consenting adults spending their money in card rooms or casinos. Marty says he tried to sign in but could not- I will caution him about the rules. Have a nice evening. l

OK, I see what you are saying. I guess my feeling is one bad apple busted could point a spotlight on many more abuses. Granted, not to this extreme, but even under "normal" conditions what a terrible life (and death) for the dogs! I must admit that I hope that the public will see that the dog racing business is not a savory affair and not support it in general. I have nothing against consenting adults spending their money in card rooms or casinos. Marty says he tried to sign in but could not- I will caution him about the rules. Have a nice evening. l

I understand what you are saying as well. Unfortunately in Florida to have a card room you have to have either A) a dog track or B) Native American heritage. I think you can also have one with a jai alai operation.

Another interesting fact. Dog tracks in Florida are not state regulated and Florida is the only state where tracks are NOT regulated in the entire country! We also have half of all the tracks here so this does not make sense to me. If Ebro was a regulated track, they would have state regulators at the track daily and they would be able to check on all the kennels on a regular basis. They also check on the dogs on a regular basis and make sure they are drug free. There would also be a Vet on staff for the dogs. In the meantime if racing in this state continues but I personally would like to see it stopped, you would hope that Ebro and the other tracks in this state become regulated like all the other tracks in this county. We do need more legislation to protect these dogs that have no voice! That may be the reason Williams was able to sneak in and race his dogs at Ebro in spite of the fact that he had a record of drugging his dogs three different times and not two as I previously stated. If Ebro was a regulated track, they would have kept an eye on those dogs and the tragedy inside that kennel would not have occurred.

Let's have Jai Alai

I understand what you are saying as well. Unfortunately in Florida to have a card room you have to have either A) a dog track or B) Native American heritage. I think you can also have one with a jai alai operation.

Like on the opening credits of Miami Vice! Now that would be cool. I would go to Ebro to see that for sure. What crazy regulations we have, must be a lobbyist somewhere doing his/her job very well.

True but actually in order to have poker and slot machines you have to have dog racing too. Stupid thing is the poker and machines bring in LOTS more money than the dog racing. Again, how stupid is that?

Laws and regulations can be changed, yes?

Why would he sneak them to you? Based on your accounts why wouldn't the owners/trainers leave them in the parking lot?

I understand that there is a stigma associated with racing dogs. However, at the same time, I have to ask have you ever walked a greyhound without a leash? These dogs are bread to do what they do and it's even more cruel to entrust them to a 'forever home' that kennels them or lives in an area where the dog cannot run. It's akin to taking a chef out of a restaurant and serving them Hamburger Helper for the rest of there lives.

This entire incident was the work of one individual who went out of his way to cover up what he was doing.

The management at Ebro is distraught over this, not due to the negative publicity, but due to the treatment of the dogs. They are in the process of correcting the supervision of the dogs.

If you don't agree then by all means continue to raise hell and protest, keep in mind that Ebro is one of the largest employers in that area and many families will be affected by your snap judgment.

To clear up a few things. The trainer who would "sneak" the dogs to me was given instructions to destroy the dogs by their respective owners. Yes, I have walked many greyhounds, taught them what stairs were all about and that you can't walk through glass.

You do not "kennel" a pet, and these dogs are actually a bit lazy and quite content to just to hang out wih you.

Many vet clinics have a resident greyhound as a blood donor. Greyhounds are the only breed that is a universal donor, so they also save the lives of other dogs. Hope this does not come across as "raising hell and protest", just wanted to have my say.

Your friend who snuck you the dogs would have done better to inform the authorities IMO.

I saw one of the dogs (who will live) on the news last night and wanted to puke. Anyone who ever came within 200 feet of this dog or its fellow sufferers would immediately know something was wrong, so I find it VERY hard to believe the owners at Ebro and everyone else involved was truly unaware of the situation.

My guess is that many blind eyes were turned and these animals suffered horribly as a result.

I don't own greyhounds, but friends do and while they are lovely dogs I find the idea that they are inactive and good as apartment dogs hilarious. They are literally a blur as they do laps around the room or yard.

I've adopted greyhounds in the past, mainly because when I lived in florida in the 90's (St. Pete area) stories like this one were very common. It was usually some poor phone company worker that would stumble onto a mass grave.

For those of you who let your greys run off their leash... you have been very lucky. Yes, these beautiful spirits do make devoted and loyal pets BUT they are do have an inherent urge to run. They are sight hounds and for centuries used as hunting dogs. A greyhound can see almost a mile away. If they spot something in that distance, you better believe they are going after it. If and when they stop...many times they can not find their way back home.

There are 3 very reputable rescue agencies in the St. Louis area, REGAP and Rescued Racers and Greyhound Companions....ALL 3 require you sign a contract stating that under no circumstances will you to just let your grey run outside of an enclosed area. They will take your dog back if they find this to be the case.

Laws and regulations can be changed, yes?

They sure as hell need to be.

The fact that this happened, went on for so long, AND this psycho can still own and race animals is ridiculous! :angry:

Laws and regulations can be changed, yes?

Or, as others suggest, you boycott the crap out of Ebro to show dog tracks owners, trainers, breeders, etc, and employees that they shouldn't treat animals inhumanly, or allow it to continue once seen. Their jobs are at risk, just like every other industry. That will wake them up much faster than any government regulation.

Your friend who snuck you the dogs would have done better to inform the authorities IMO.

I saw one of the dogs (who will live) on the news last night and wanted to puke. Anyone who ever came within 200 feet of this dog or its fellow sufferers would immediately know something was wrong, so I find it VERY hard to believe the owners at Ebro and everyone else involved was truly unaware of the situation.

My guess is that many blind eyes were turned and these animals suffered horribly as a result.

I don't own greyhounds, but friends do and while they are lovely dogs I find the idea that they are inactive and good as apartment dogs hilarious. They are literally a blur as they do laps around the room or yard.

Ours were couch potatoes. All they wanted was a comfortable place to sleep. One was 3 when he was adopted. One was 4 four when he was found on the side of the road by my stepmother. He fell out of the back of a an owners truck and the owner left him for dead. I don't think these two had any run left in them. They each lived 9 more years with my parents.

Your friend who snuck you the dogs would have done better to inform the authorities IMO.

I saw one of the dogs (who will live) on the news last night and wanted to puke. Anyone who ever came within 200 feet of this dog or its fellow sufferers would immediately know something was wrong, so I find it VERY hard to believe the owners at Ebro and everyone else involved was truly unaware of the situation.

My guess is that many blind eyes were turned and these animals suffered horribly as a result.

I don't own greyhounds, but friends do and while they are lovely dogs I find the idea that they are inactive and good as apartment dogs hilarious. They are literally a blur as they do laps around the room or yard.

I just happened upon a trainer with a heart. The "authorities" are a misguided state run cluster. They know all too well that over 13,000 dogs are destroyed each year nationwide.

I own a Greyhound and have a few friends that do also. I find it hilarious Scooterbug that you do NOT believe that Greyhounds are inactive and make great apartment dogs. There is a reason they call them "40 mile an hour couch potatoes" and you won't find another breed that is so totally laid back and low maintenance. Come on folks, lets hear from some other Greyhound owners out there to set the record straight!

My friend who had a pair always said they were about 98% couch potato, but every so often loved to go out in their (smallish fenced) backyard and tear it up in tight circles as fast as they could corner for what seemed like forever.

Your friend who snuck you the dogs would have done better to inform the authorities IMO.

I saw one of the dogs (who will live) on the news last night and wanted to puke. Anyone who ever came within 200 feet of this dog or its fellow sufferers would immediately know something was wrong, so I find it VERY hard to believe the owners at Ebro and everyone else involved was truly unaware of the situation.

My guess is that many blind eyes were turned and these animals suffered horribly as a result.

I don't own greyhounds, but friends do and while they are lovely dogs I find the idea that they are inactive and good as apartment dogs hilarious. They are literally a blur as they do laps around the room or yard.

i have owned a greyhound since march, 2005. i have taken her to bark park on a number of occasions, and all she does is one lap around the perimeter. she grazes on the grass the rest of the time. she sleeps 80% of the time, her choice. she has her moments when she gets excited and does what i call a "dance" but please do not confuse these dogs with labs or other dogs that needs tons of exercise. if you have the chance, go to the GPAEC website, our local greyhound rescue group, and learn more about these amazing animals. stereotyping them because they were "racers" only hurts their chances of adoption. we have a small house and large dog, and it works out just fine. it's really important not to spread misinformation about any breed. thanks.

I'm not a vet, but in humans, over sleeping or extended periods of sleeping is usually a sign of depression.

IMHO, they probably are catching up on long lost sleep after spending long hours in cramped kennels, and are deprived of social contact. I am sure it isn't very quiet in these conditions.

They spend the majority of their lives in confinement-stacked in double -decker cages in warehouse-style kennels for up to twenty or more hours a day at the racetrack. The cages are just large enough for the dogs to stand in. Most of the enclosures are not heated or air-conditioned. The dogs suffer during severe weather temperatures.

I think they are pretty much over their depression when they find a home that will love them, care for them, and just let them be. Even if it does meaning sleeping most of the time. They deserve it after what they have been through in their young lives.

Dogs are as different and unique as people. people are posting their experiences with the same breed of dog. Of course those experiences are different, because the Dogs were different, as were the people.

They are all different, just like us.

I sure hope dogs don't see people as their worst nighmare based on the actions of one person.

I can't believe that he let the food Ebro provided for the dogs rot rather than feed it to them!

Publicity of the bad kind is our best weapon against this type of abuse. Ebro park claims ignorance and no responsibility because the kennels were leased. Something is really fishy here and deserves some REAL investigation. Not just the perp that was arrested, the park as a whole should be turned inside out to untill we know the whole story. I just don't believe that this creep acted without anybody at the park knowing that something was amiss. My husband has spoken with the racing commision and the inspector. There excuse for lack of knowlege was "the door was locked". Pathetic! National coverage will bring well deserved heat to the industry in general, and Ebro in particular. Call the CNN news line at 404-827-1500.

My thoughts exactly, how could they have not known what was going on right under their stinking noses. I hope and pray they shut down the park.

No one has mentioned the kid races at Ebro.