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Local HOA's to be asked to Fund Turtle Express

John G avatar
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Page A3 of the Walton Sun has an interesting "Advertorial" (Paid for by the business, so there's a slant), on the Sunshine Turtle Express.

While I applaud the Express Owners for trying to do Something, Anything, to help with the crazy amount of traffic and parking, I have to wonder what the road this "HOA: Help Our Avenues!" is going to look like.

First, one must realize a simple fact; a Homeowners Association and a Condo Association are two very different things. The term "HOA" can be confused and is often painted with a broad brush stroke. Many of the "associations" along the 30a routes are condo, while many of the areas serviced are resorts like Watercolor.

The Shuttle Co., is looking for these "HOA's" to help with the cost of additional Turtle Express Shuttles. Regardless of the effectiveness, or the perceived effectiveness of this initial shuttle (2014), how do you go to a property owner (part of the HOA) and tell them that their HOA / Condo Dues will go up to support a transportation system?

What if I don't rent my unit?

Why should an HOA / Condo Assoc., pay a penny for this? If the shuttle was so successful, then I'd go buy more (or lease) vehicles and charge a bit more to cover my costs. Is this shuttle Free or is there a cost? Now I'm confused.

The Advertorial also gives some interesting numbers that I'm not so sure of. The service provided gave rides to (according to the Advertorial) 4500 passengers. Hey, that's great, less congestion, less drunks, etc. But how does that mean "2250 cars off 30A"?

The math would suggest two people per vehicle.

Four people in one car would then translate to about 1125 cars off of 30a. When you consider a large SUV, numbers are around 750 cars off 30a (six in an SUV).

So, the bang for the buck is up for debate as is the "4500 passengers" as noted in the Advertorial.

The Advertorial also states that "We have the best beaches, the bestwater, and now we have another tourist attraction: free Transportation,"

Yet the fee for the HOA's targeted is "$1 dollar a day". Far from free. Nothing is Free, except the Walton Sun.

IMO, Parking is the problem of the local business that failed to plan in advance for growth. The cost of the shuttle should be absorbed by the owner of the shuttle and they sould profit $$$ or the local business person should pay for it (as some have done and kudos to them).

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Leader of the Banned avatar
Beach Fanatic
#27
I was thinking, just for imaging and marketing, couldn't they come up with a better name for a shuttle service than Turtle Express? People want to get placesquickly, you know? Why not Roadrunner? There's a reason why Greyhound bus didn't choose the Basset hound or chihuahua as their mascot.
Matt J avatar
SWGB
#28
I don't see the average HOA signing up for this. However, some like Watercolor or Gulf Place make more sense.

Kiosks ain't cheap. Ads considerably to the cost.

Low riders were due to the lack of advertising, word of mouth, general knowledge, confusion that it's free, etc. I'm betting the bike path didn't get much traffic the first year or two.

I love the idea and feel it should be expanded and funded by the TDC.
John G avatar
Beach FanaticAuthor
#29
I don't see the average HOA signing up for this. However, some like Watercolor or Gulf Place make more sense.

Kiosks ain't cheap. Ads considerably to the cost.

Low riders were due to the lack of advertising, word of mouth, general knowledge, confusion that it's free, etc. I'm betting the bike path didn't get much traffic the first year or two.

I love the idea and feel it should be expanded and funded by the TDC.

Good assessment. I just don't agree on the funding part. It's a business, run it like one.

Funding by any tax dollar would be wrong. The ridership was very low based on what I saw (two to three per ride). I'm sure there are conflicting numbers to support the success, but if it was successful, charge for the ride. Supply and Demand.

Demand just isn't there. Tourists will continue to drive here (not using the airport), bring down three to five vehilces per family and expect locals to accomodate their fleets. They don't care about driving to and from dinner, etc. I'm willing to be DUI Arrests were down too... That's because it is not a focus. Notice that NOW FHP is out ticketing drivers on 30a and 98, not this past summer.
Robert D avatar
Beach Lover
#30
It appears to be a rolling advertisement for the shuttle company. Doubt they are really worried about ridership as long as they can get their costs covered. If businesses will not cover cost they will try other means. Pushing the idea that HOAs should pay for it will get a lot of people saying that businesses or taxes should pay for it. Pretty clever ploy.
Jim Tucker avatar
Beach Fanatic
#31
It should be business supported only. Use it for their employees, make Seaside and Watercolor kick in a chunk to park their employees off site. More parking, more dollars. I damn sure wouldnt pay for it, but have people pay a buck or two if they use the service. Common sense?

Seaside shuttles in employees from the lot on 283 in season and on holidays. WaterColor employees park at corporate office on Watersound Pkwy, at offices behind Publix or scattered here and there. They don't have as many businesses as Seasid and not as many visitors who are not staying there.

The only thing that will work is if it is subsidized. They already tried that and were told no. One issue is that they only want to serve hwy 30a and the TDC is mandated to serve all of South Walton.
carson avatar
Beach Fanatic
#32
I was thinking, just for imaging and marketing, couldn't they come up with a better name for a shuttle service than Turtle Express? People want to get placesquickly, you know? Why not Roadrunner? There's a reason why Greyhound bus didn't choose the Basset hound or chihuahua as their mascot.

Now that is funny!
m1a1mg avatar
Beach Fanatic
#33
Yeah, bad name. Call it the Drunken Tourist Express.

It's sad, but John G. got it right. Tourists bring every damn vehicle the family owns. They don't need a shuttle. Just drink and drive. It isn't like law enforcement works the beaches during the summer anyway.
Teresa avatar
SoWal Guide
#34
Does the TDC pay for any portion of the shuttle? I would think the TDC and County could afford to fund this program for tourism. Why not?
Beach Fanatic
#35
Does the TDC pay for any portion of the shuttle? I would think the TDC and County could afford to fund this program for tourism. Why not?
good question. No good answer. TDC wouldn't even allow information about it to be posted on its website. is. I'd like to see information about ways other tourist destinations have implemented public transport and how long it took for strong buy in. It's unfair to say the program doesn't or can't work if we have nothing to compare it to. Regarding HOAs, Sandestin implemented its program a year earlier. Apparently enough members of the HOA saw the value of reducing traffic that they at least gave it a try.

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Beach Runner avatar
beats on hood
#36
We never tried the shuttle. The closest it came to us was Whiskey Bravo. We would have had to drive. Then where would we park? I thought it would be tacky to park at Whiskey Bravo and then go somewhere else. We thought about parking at Publix. But that would be just as far as driving to Seaside. And both parking possibilities require getting into the traffic jams on 30A westbound in Seagrove and at the intersection of 30A and 395.
Dawn avatar
Beach Fanatic
#37
The TDC can't do it because the shuttle only serves a small part of the county. That is also why they can't support stuff that only pertains to 30A. Exceptions are made for events on 30A and stuff that can benefit every bed tax collector in the county.
Danny Glidewell avatar
Beach Fanatic
#38
The TDC can't do it because the shuttle only serves a small part of the county. That is also why they can't support stuff that only pertains to 30A. Exceptions are made for events on 30A and stuff that can benefit every bed tax collector in the county.

What? By that criteria there is very little the TDC could fund. How can they consider building crosswalks that will be used by a couple of subdivisions for instance? Or, "neighborhood accesses in general? By definition they only "serve a small part of the county." How many TDC projects benefit every bed collector in the county? I would appreciate further clarification on this comment.

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