Redfish Village Beach Access

[edroedrog]

BMB that is exactly the point I was trying to make and now you are talking about the real issue. All the posts on this board have been speculation. Most of the posts are not accurate, they are fun to read especially Edroe it's like a Tom Clancy book, it's just not the facts. I only know a few but enough to know that people are using these lies to try and push Redfish people back to the east. The point though is that whether they are on our side or your side (east v west) it's going to affect one of us. I don't want any more traffic on the beach but once Walton County let's these developers build condos up and down 30A to the north, it is a crazy afterthought to think now we can keep them off of "our" beach. I know they are not going to stand single file on the strip of these four beach accesses.

KT-I am fat from a XMas dinner and looks like I have missed out on some great stuff.

KT - Provide me with one thing that I have said on this thing that is not a fact? Seems like you have only had a day to review. OK OK What LyingFish Trailer Park... You have to be kidding me if you think they are not trying to slide this one under on all of us. They have plenty of suits (Lawyers Buster) working on all this legal stuff. Some of the smartest lawyers could not even twist this code book up. But if you get Local Elected officials to then that is something else.

 

[edroedrog]

But if lot 1 is definitely a no go then the developer is already in breach because the contracts specifically reference that lot and even has an attached survey. As it is it looks like the project won't be completed in the alloted time so private beach access is probably moot for the contract holders who don't want to close and won't have to because the contracts will expire.

Jim do you have this in PDF? Would love to see it in a PrivateMail? Had someone call me out on the part about LyingFish the other day and would love to see that portion of the contract. That would definitely prove my point.

 

[edroedrog]

It would be good to see. What I had heard was that RFV was sued by the adjoining lot (of lot 1) and that there might have been some judgement. Also there was mention of a stop work order when they started building the walkover on that lot. Maybe that was a result of the lawsuit.

What I have not seen is something in writing from the county that the county denied the intended use on lot 1.

For those friends of LyingFish Trailer Park ask them about the letter they received from Division of Planning and Development Services. This was a Dear Mr. Zeitlin letter and lets just say in this letter dated May 5 2006, which I am having an issue with these timelines too, told them this lot in BMB (Lot 1 as we see it) could only be used for NPA/RP and does not allow any use other than one single family home per platted lot. Any other use would violate their Comprehensive Plan and for you contract holds they go on to tell them to stop tell prospective buyers that it was false and deceptive.

SJ - It was sent to Hard2Sell group too. So looks to me like they are sleeping in the Orchard. They do make a good first impression.

HMMMM
KT- The facts. I just happen to have the letter.

Buster-You might already have the letter.

 

[edroedrog]

Sounds like you have personal issues with these people. Were you fired by them? I like reading your posts but it was easy to find out that you and Buster are wrong and there was never a judgement on the 1st lot and that they still have that lot as an option. I know people at hard2sell as you call it and I actually like them.

Was not fired. Could smell the fish from the road.

From the sounds of things LyingFish Trailer Park is giving Developers and Realtors a bad name in this area. Developers are going to have the LyingFish Trailer Park rule. Get your permits approved before you start your printing press.. Sound like a good rule to you KT?

I think I have already posted an update on Lot 1 at BMB.

KT-As I have stated in earlier post. Stating the Facts. I want you to spend time proving me wrong. Seems like you are a new poster and maybe you have been reading these threads for months and just decided to participate. I do not know but keep up the hard work at defending your friends. Do you work in the Trailer or do you own interest in this project too. Hard2Sell has 20 percent invested with the apple company what is your position?

If this goes my way I will have a book signing this summer at a coffee shop near you.

 

[edroedrog]

I am signing off for the night need to finish Christmas shopping. All I can say to that though is that Walton County is growing and changing and those developments north will come and they will keep overcrowding our beach. There will have to be a way to make it orderly unless they put cops on every road. It all comes down to "not in my backyard" it always comes down to that. I can't help but want to have Redfish shuttle people to one spot instead of letting them come crazy down all of our roads. I can't help it I like their idea. I will unite though in fighting development.

Sorry KT - I guess this post answered the interest question I had.

 

[Kevin Thompson]

Edroe it looks like you joined recently also. My interest is simple, I own property to the east and don't want a flood of traffic down all of our roads. What is your interest? It seems like you just have an axe to grind? How do you know all these things about who owns what in Lyingfish and who really cares what hard2sell owns? What does that mean to us? If you have the letter you talk about then you must have the letter we have which was the response from their attorneys which made the letter you have completely unimportant and no longer anything we could rely on when we were fighting lot 1. You either don't know the facts or you are trying to hide them from people, either way it's a bad thing for those who are relying on what you say. Almost everything you have said is wrong and you just seem to be trashing people and I do happen to like the people at H2O they have been very nice and up front with us. Everybody else here says what their point is but you just play these games with these snippets of who owns what and who said what. I will tell you that the east side will stand up for what we believe is the right thing for Blue Mountain. Do you even have property there or are you just angry at somebody?

 

[edroedrog]

Edroe it looks like you joined recently also. My interest is simple, I own property to the east and don't want a flood of traffic down all of our roads. What is your interest? It seems like you just have an axe to grind? How do you know all these things about who owns what in Lyingfish and who really cares what hard2sell owns? What does that mean to us? If you have the letter you talk about then you must have the letter we have which was the response from their attorneys which made the letter you have completely unimportant and no longer anything we could rely on when we were fighting lot 1. You either don't know the facts or you are trying to hide them from people, either way it's a bad thing for those who are relying on what you say. Almost everything you have said is wrong and you just seem to be trashing people and I do happen to like the people at H2O they have been very nice and up front with us. Everybody else here says what their point is but you just play these games with these snippets of who owns what and who said what. I will tell you that the east side will stand up for what we believe is the right thing for Blue Mountain. Do you even have property there or are you just angry at somebody?

My interests are yours. I do not want to see a developer come in and take advantage of the community. This will kill BMB. It is already small enough without developers help.

The reason I let you know the relationship between Hard2Sell and Apple group is because they are in this together so how can you trust Hard2Sell? I happen to like Hard2Sell too. They are nice people. I hear that Apple group and Hard2Sell are friends again. Their relationship was on thin ice this year.

So do not make me go back and read all my post. I just want you to show me one example of me being wrong and I am sure we can clear this thing up.

 

[Kevin Thompson]

I will do that edroe but after Christmas. Don't you have a copy of that letter the one that responds to the one you posted? I will try and get a copy I can post or does anyone have one? It makes the County's letter moot. They still have their rights on Lot 1 we know that and it is why there was never a judgement on Lot 1. And my friend at hard2sell says they do not have 20% invested as you say so what is your proof? I still don't understand why you keep posting these snippets about their relationship being on thin ice or whatever I don't know why we should care about that. I have told you my reasons but I still don't know yours. Do you own property there or not is it east or west of 83? It makes it hard to discuss the facts of the beach access with you when it really sounds like you have an axe to grind with these people or are you hoping to get out of a contract with them?

 

[BeachSteelers]

Smiling Joe thanks for your support against Naturewalk Beachclub. Unfortunately I'm not hearing from people about it. I thought all of 30A would be outraged that a 2500 person/day club was proposed by anyone. Again people IM me if anyone wants to help stop this. I urge all to show at the Commissioners Meeting on the 24th. to voice the opinions. If 100 people show with a 5 min. speech when open discussion is allowed then maybe we have a chance. Seagrove needs all of 30A help!

 

[BMBWalker]

I am signing off for the night need to finish Christmas shopping. All I can say to that though is that Walton County is growing and changing and those developments north will come and they will keep overcrowding our beach. There will have to be a way to make it orderly unless they put cops on every road. It all comes down to "not in my backyard" it always comes down to that. I can't help but want to have Redfish shuttle people to one spot instead of letting them come crazy down all of our roads. I can't help it I like their idea. I will unite though in fighting development.

Kevin....it's greater than "not in my backyard"; it's more like "not in our backyard". There is nothing positive to come from having small private gateways dumping hundreds of people on a small area of the beach. This incredible concentration only diminishes every aspect of beachfront property and usage.

By your statement that "I can't help but want to have Redfish shuttle people to one spot instead of letting them come crazy down all our roads" you show a real insensivity to beach usage. First of all, if the county does not permit the Redfish Village proposal, future developers will think twice before they come into our area to develop; these developers will only build if they run the numbers and the numbers come up with big gains. The big gains will not be there if there is only public access; investors and future owners will not invest huge sums of money to use public access only beaches, especially in the current real estate market. Second, if the developments are not here, you won't have them "crazy down all our roads." Third, dispersal of people is better than concentration on the beach.

A few questions:
1.What did you and you neighbors do when Redfish Village proposed their development on C-30A in 2003/2004? Did you personally get involved in trying to stop the development from going forward?
2. You say you own property east of CR-83 public access. What do you own: lot(s), home(s) or condo(s)?
3. Were the four roads coming off C-30A, and turning into six roads which deadend into Blue Mountain Rd., in your subdivision when you purchased your property? Were the four public access walkways to the beach off Blue Mountain Rd. shown on your subdivision plat or did the county install them later?
4. Will you show up at county meetings and support the resistance to this, and other, private gateway concepts in our area?

I'm sorry to read that you like their idea. This idea is not a good one for anyone in our area or the area itself.