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Misty

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In my humble opinion, that "state motto" is just about as ubiquitous as "Just Do It" or "I'm Lovin' It". It's just so much out there, you hardly notice it anymore. I might be holding it in my pocket. Who knows? It really takes a sour individual to get really riled up about it.

The same could be said about the other issue...perception is everything.
 

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This motto stands for an "all knowing and loving being who promises us everlasting life" and the other thing stands for "armed rebellion to preserve slavery". I'm not seeing that much connection.
 

Misty

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This motto stands for an "all knowing and loving being who promises us everlasting life" and the other thing stands for "armed rebellion to preserve slavery". I'm not seeing that much connection.

Then shouldn't the Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson, Franklin etc. memorials also be taken down? They fought to keep their slaves.
 

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I'm not saying those fellers didn't have slaves. I'm saying the conscience of the country evolved, obviously enough, so that a major number of states were against slavery.(The country also evolved enough to grant women the right to vote.) All in all, this country seems to be a progressive, evolving entity for equality. I kind of hope it keeps progressing like that. And I bet God does too.
 

Misty

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I'm not saying those fellers didn't have slaves. I'm saying the conscience of the country evolved, obviously enough, so that a major number of states were against slavery.(The country also evolved enough to grant women the right to vote.) All in all, this country seems to be a progressive, evolving entity for equality. I kind of hope it keeps progressing like that. And I bet God does too.

I would hope that if you are going to censor history, you should censor it all. The right to pick and choose is hypocritical.
 

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Homo sapiens use to drag their knuckles too.
 
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Misty

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Not into evolution much, huh?

I'm not into the notion that if I don't think or believe the same as you or anyone else that my opinion matters less than yours or that yours matters more than mine because you are a "believer".
 

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I don't consider myself a believer. I consider myself a decent, compassionate human being. You raised the fact that our founding fathers were slave owners, as if that made me a hypocrite. Sounds like you are lording your opinion over mine. My opinion remains the same: this country's greatness lies in the fact that we are in the midst of a progressive evolution of civil justice, and celebrating the Confederacy is just plain wrong.
 

Misty

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I don't consider myself a believer. I consider myself a decent, compassionate human being. You raised the fact that our founding fathers were slave owners, as if that made me a hypocrite. Sounds like you are lording your opinion over mine. My opinion remains the same: this country's greatness lies in the fact that we are in the midst of a progressive evolution of civil justice, and celebrating the Confederacy is just plain wrong.

Ya know LakeView, I'm not trying to lord anything over you but I still insist (contrary to your assertions) the majority of Walton County does not believe what you or the folks who started this mess do in regard to the flag. I'd like to think I'm also a pretty decent human being. I'm not racist and I'd like to think I'm not morally bankrupt, that I am compassionate and would help my fellow man/woman/child if I were able. I make a concerted effort not to involve myself in things which could end with me being on the opposite side of the law and I do those things because I had parents (who not necessarily religious) did mange to teach me right from wrong and give me a very healthy respect (maybe overtly so) for the basic principals that this Country was founded on including, freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble and protest.

With those principals in mind (rather that what you perceive I think) let me put this to you another way. The masses would bring prayer back into public school, something I may add, the constitution has said the government will not do. I think the Government has found a way to blatantly "skirt the law" just as they did about 15 years ago right here in Walton County by having the Sheriff lead prayer at school functions, using inmate labor to work (actually build churches from the ground up) which in effect, suggested that Walton County was ABOVE the law of the land or if you will, above the Constitution. Not so said the ACLU, those practices will cease immediately. Did it happen overnight? Of course not. Clever representatives of government thought they found a way to "skirt" the law once again by having our children "lead" prayer. Can you imagine how a parent would feel if their child were Jewish and leading a Christian prayer or an Atheist leading any kind of prayer knowing the government is to make no law establishing religion and must not prohibit the free exercise thereof? Did inmates cease building churches from the ground up, well yeah as a matter of fact they did BUT the government found another subtle way to respect "Christianity" by allowing prisoners to put up Christmas decorations on public and government owned land. Today, we got bumper stickers and the masses are saying "it's our State motto" as if that somehow separates Church and State. I don't believe it does but the masses do which is exactly why I was not prepared to put the proverbial target on my own back because I am a minority.

Do I think this is a lawsuit waiting to happen? Yes. Do I think that at some point someone is going to say "enough of these attacks by the masses in their subtle attempts to make this a Christian Nation without respect for the founding principals of this Country"? Absolutely. Do I expect at some point to see the ACLU step in? Well, it has happened before which is in effect why we have the Constitution.

I think the government celebrating Christmas is wrong albeit I don't care what they do in the privacy of their own homes. I think the same principals that Uhlfelder has stated about our government halls and buildings being a place of justice for all should apply equally when it comes to religious references on government owned and operated (automobiles) and land.

And yes, I do believe anything less is hypocritical.
 
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