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Seems like I got it right Misty, maybe not perfect but essentially right. Thanks
No you didn't get it right!
I'm not fighting to have the bumper stickers removed because there is no clear case law which says it's illegal!! I can disagree till the cows come home but that doesn't make it illegal! If the courts had clearly defined it as a breach of Constitutional law you can bet your ass I would fight it.
Flying that flag on government property is not illegal and never has been. It's not a question of Constitutional law and to date neither is "In God We Trust". So what is there for me to fight against Bob? You seem to have all my answers and clearly know what I think better than I do so, you tell me...what am I supposed to be fighting against? My personal lack of religious convictions prevent me from agreeing with the bumper stickers but my personal convictions are not a matter of law!! Has it been debated in the courts...assuredly it has, has it been ruled as UNCONSTITUTIONAL? No, it hasn't. So again, what am I supposed the be fighting against? I'm not an attorney, I don't try cases, I'm not a Judge I don't make decisions about case law but I abide by and support those which have been determined to be ILLEGAL!!
The people driving the racist bus in this County have attempted to remove something that offends their sensibilities. I'm not offended by that flag and in all honesty, I'm not offended by those damn bumper stickers. I can personally disagree with them because I don't trust in God, he doesn't pay my rent, my taxes, my bills or provide my ability to do those things, I do that! People of Christian faith would/will argue that he provides those things but we both know at the end of the day if I didn't take my ass to work it wouldn't be provided at all. Do I owe my allegiance to faith/trust? Hell no I don't, I owe it to myself!
Get off your hypocritical high horse Bob until you can clearly define what it is you think I should be fighting against!
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OK Misty
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OK MistyThat's what I thought!
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Misty I still think what I said is essentially correct! You don't agree with it. Ok Misty, is that what you thought? Back to baseball, my teams winning.
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Misty I still think what I said is essentially correct! You don't agree with it. Ok Misty, is that what you thought? Back to baseball, my teams winning.
And I think you're full of yourself and full of...
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Let me s l o w this down for you Bob.
There were 2 petitions regarding the confederate flag and 2 BCC meetings:
1.) Remove it
2.) Keep it
Which one did you sign Bob?
I didn't sign either of them because my sensibilities are not offended by that flag and I couldn't care less if it stays or goes. It doesn't represent hate, racism or the KKK to me personally and its not illegal.
Which of the 2 BCC meetings did you attend?
I didn't attend either of them for the same reasons I've clearly stated above.
Is there a petition you think I need to know about in regard to the "In God We Trust" issue? Or do you think I need to start one? If the latter is what you think I need to do, I'm sorry to disappoint but its not going to happen because you think I need instigate it. Would I sign one if someone started it? No, because just like the flag issue it's not illegal. Do I have an opinion about it, yes and you obviously didn't understand my opinion when it was clearly stated to you so, there really is no point in rehashing what I have said previously
Should the law change would I jump on a "remove the bumper stickers" bandwagon? Probably so, if it was ruled illegal by the courts. I believe the Sheriff should abide by the law just as he expects the Citizens of this county to do. The Sheriff isn't above the law, he represents the law and has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the US.
If the flag were to be removed because a law was passed saying that its illegal to fly it on Government land would I support the law? Absolutely.
The bottom line is, the Uhlfelder's didn't set out to change the law. The came in "guns ablazing" (your words) demanding that flag be removed, stirring up all kinds of hate and discontent, got the NAACP involved, created a racial divide and have done everything in their power to hurt the Community they profess to love with sanctions and threats. You obviously agree with that way of supporting change but I do not.
Last but not least, I do have a voice in how our government does business and/or executes the will of the people. I'm a resident, a taxpayer and a voter. I have the same inherent rights as you or anyone else to voice my displeasure and/or pleasure in regard to the job I think the BCC or the Sheriff is doing and to support (or not) the decisions they make.
There were 2 petitions regarding the confederate flag and 2 BCC meetings:
1.) Remove it
2.) Keep it
Which one did you sign Bob?
I didn't sign either of them because my sensibilities are not offended by that flag and I couldn't care less if it stays or goes. It doesn't represent hate, racism or the KKK to me personally and its not illegal.
Which of the 2 BCC meetings did you attend?
I didn't attend either of them for the same reasons I've clearly stated above.
Is there a petition you think I need to know about in regard to the "In God We Trust" issue? Or do you think I need to start one? If the latter is what you think I need to do, I'm sorry to disappoint but its not going to happen because you think I need instigate it. Would I sign one if someone started it? No, because just like the flag issue it's not illegal. Do I have an opinion about it, yes and you obviously didn't understand my opinion when it was clearly stated to you so, there really is no point in rehashing what I have said previously
Should the law change would I jump on a "remove the bumper stickers" bandwagon? Probably so, if it was ruled illegal by the courts. I believe the Sheriff should abide by the law just as he expects the Citizens of this county to do. The Sheriff isn't above the law, he represents the law and has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the US.
If the flag were to be removed because a law was passed saying that its illegal to fly it on Government land would I support the law? Absolutely.
The bottom line is, the Uhlfelder's didn't set out to change the law. The came in "guns ablazing" (your words) demanding that flag be removed, stirring up all kinds of hate and discontent, got the NAACP involved, created a racial divide and have done everything in their power to hurt the Community they profess to love with sanctions and threats. You obviously agree with that way of supporting change but I do not.
Last but not least, I do have a voice in how our government does business and/or executes the will of the people. I'm a resident, a taxpayer and a voter. I have the same inherent rights as you or anyone else to voice my displeasure and/or pleasure in regard to the job I think the BCC or the Sheriff is doing and to support (or not) the decisions they make.
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Misty, let me slow this down for you. You do not have to agree with me on how I read what you have posted. You can repost all your post, you can post all your justifications. Me thinks you object to much.
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Misty, let me slow this down for you. You do not have to agree with me on how I read what you have posted. You can repost all your post, you can post all your justifications. Me thinks you object to much.
That's the whole point Bob...I DON'T OBJECT to that flag, you do.
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The fact that it is the state motto is the ultimate trump card. Game set match. Speaking of trump, pray to God he gets elected as a big midle finger to all this political correctness that is killing this country.
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The fact that it is the state motto is the ultimate trump card. Game set match. Speaking of trump, pray to God he gets elected as a big midle finger to all this political correctness that is killing this country.If Trump even sniffs the white house, political correctness will be the least of our problems. He is a good measuring stick of who is brainless in this country. Anyone who actually considers him a serious option.
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If Trump even sniffs the white house, political correctness will be the least of our problems. He is a good measuring stick of who is brainless in this country. Anyone who actually considers him a serious option.
Considering he is up in the polls, does that makes the majority of the country brainless?
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Considering he is up in the polls, does that makes the majority of the country brainless?Indeed
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That's brilliant political correctness, calling people "brainless" if they are not a liberal democrat. The appeal of Trump is that he does not care much about politics. Wonder who he will chose for a running mate? Wouldn't it be funny if it was Rubio?
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We start our Presidential campaigns way, way to early.
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That's brilliant political correctness, calling people "brainless" if they are not a liberal democrat. The appeal of Trump is that he does not care much about politics. Wonder who he will chose for a running mate? Wouldn't it be funny if it was Rubio?
Trump is no conservative. He gets the ahole vote from the full range of the political spectrum.
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That's brilliant political correctness, calling people "brainless" if they are not a liberal democrat.
The shoe fits.
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The shoe fits.Yes it fits but not where you think!
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Yes it fits but not where you think!Right on, mputnal!
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I thought the In God We Trust stickers were going on all WCSO vehicles?
I saw two patrol cars this weekend in SoWal that didn't have them. Why not? They should be on all, no?
I saw two patrol cars this weekend in SoWal that didn't have them. Why not? They should be on all, no?
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Perhaps if the Sheriff were that excited about the stickers he'd put one on his vehicle?
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According to The Blaze...on Wed posted Aug. 26, 2015
Walton County Sheriff’s Office public affairs director Corey Dobridnia told TheBlaze on Wednesday that the sheriff has no plans of backing down from his letter and that the county has not yet heard back from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
“It’s not [an issue] that he’s not going to change his position on,” she said, noting that the sheriffs office has received additional “In God We Trust” stickers that were donated by a local printing company called SRB Screen Printing.
Walton County Sheriff’s Office public affairs director Corey Dobridnia told TheBlaze on Wednesday that the sheriff has no plans of backing down from his letter and that the county has not yet heard back from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
Dobridnia said that these decals will be distributed “to the deputies, to their families and to anyone who wants to pick them up.”
So far, she said that staff members in the office have fully supported Adkinson’s position on the matter and that no one has complained over the presence of the stickers on patrol cars.
“I haven’t been made aware of a single citizen, or agency or organization that has sued us over that,” she said. “And if they were to, the sheriff made it very clear that he’s not taking them off of cars unless the people elect a new sheriff or a judge orders them to take them off.”
The Freedom From Religion Foundation — which has sent letters to police departments and sheriffs officers across the country protesting the presence of “In God We Trust” stickers on patrol cars — has not yet responded to Adkinson’s letter, with Dan Barker, co-president of the atheist group, telling TheBlaze on Wednesday that he’s not sure what will happen next.
“We can’t predict what we’ll do next,” he said. “Even if we wanted to sue we have to have a plaintiff there who’s willing to sign on.”
But he added, “We would love to sue over a case like this.”
Barker did reveal that there is an unnamed atheist police officer in an undisclosed location who reached out to the Freedom From Religion Foundation to express his discontent over the fact that he is driving an official vehicle that has an “In God We Trust” bumper sticker.
If he would be willing to come forward and be a plaintiff, then we would go to court and sue,” he said.
So far, challenges to “In God We Trust” on currency have been unsuccessful, but Barker believes that the police patrol car issue could reignite the debate and give atheists another chance to question the legitimacy and constitutionality of including the line on public property.
Entire article here...
Sheriff’s Absolutely Defiant Response to Atheists’ Demand That He Remove ‘In God We Trust’ Message From Patrol Cars
Walton County Sheriff’s Office public affairs director Corey Dobridnia told TheBlaze on Wednesday that the sheriff has no plans of backing down from his letter and that the county has not yet heard back from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
“It’s not [an issue] that he’s not going to change his position on,” she said, noting that the sheriffs office has received additional “In God We Trust” stickers that were donated by a local printing company called SRB Screen Printing.
Walton County Sheriff’s Office public affairs director Corey Dobridnia told TheBlaze on Wednesday that the sheriff has no plans of backing down from his letter and that the county has not yet heard back from the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
Dobridnia said that these decals will be distributed “to the deputies, to their families and to anyone who wants to pick them up.”
So far, she said that staff members in the office have fully supported Adkinson’s position on the matter and that no one has complained over the presence of the stickers on patrol cars.
“I haven’t been made aware of a single citizen, or agency or organization that has sued us over that,” she said. “And if they were to, the sheriff made it very clear that he’s not taking them off of cars unless the people elect a new sheriff or a judge orders them to take them off.”
The Freedom From Religion Foundation — which has sent letters to police departments and sheriffs officers across the country protesting the presence of “In God We Trust” stickers on patrol cars — has not yet responded to Adkinson’s letter, with Dan Barker, co-president of the atheist group, telling TheBlaze on Wednesday that he’s not sure what will happen next.
“We can’t predict what we’ll do next,” he said. “Even if we wanted to sue we have to have a plaintiff there who’s willing to sign on.”
But he added, “We would love to sue over a case like this.”
Barker did reveal that there is an unnamed atheist police officer in an undisclosed location who reached out to the Freedom From Religion Foundation to express his discontent over the fact that he is driving an official vehicle that has an “In God We Trust” bumper sticker.
If he would be willing to come forward and be a plaintiff, then we would go to court and sue,” he said.
So far, challenges to “In God We Trust” on currency have been unsuccessful, but Barker believes that the police patrol car issue could reignite the debate and give atheists another chance to question the legitimacy and constitutionality of including the line on public property.
Entire article here...
Sheriff’s Absolutely Defiant Response to Atheists’ Demand That He Remove ‘In God We Trust’ Message From Patrol Cars
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Perhaps if the Sheriff were that excited about the stickers he'd put one on his vehicle?
Great idea. If sheriff mike doesn't have one on his car, I'd like to know why? Put them on all WCSO vehicles.
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DALLAS (AP) — A police department in a Texas Bible Belt community has placed large "In God We Trust" decals on its patrol vehicles in response to recent violence against law enforcement officers, drawing criticism from a watchdog group that says the decals amount to an illegal government endorsement of religion.
Police cars' 'In God We Trust' decals draw complaints
From that article...
Ironically that same discussion has been made on this board....It's OK for ya'll to allow the Government to pay respect to "history and heritage" by displaying "In God We Trust" on Gov. vehicles but its not OK to respect Southern History and Heritage by displaying the Confederate flag on Gov. property??
Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches.
Police cars' 'In God We Trust' decals draw complaints
From that article...
Jeremy Dys, senior counsel for the Texas-based Liberty Institute, a law firm that specializes in issues of religious liberty, said the U.S. Supreme Court and lower courts have repeatedly allowed the phrase and other religious overtures as "part of the country's history and heritage."
Ironically that same discussion has been made on this board....It's OK for ya'll to allow the Government to pay respect to "history and heritage" by displaying "In God We Trust" on Gov. vehicles but its not OK to respect Southern History and Heritage by displaying the Confederate flag on Gov. property??
Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not actually hold. Hypocrisy is not simply failing to practice those virtues that one preaches.
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I don't see any connection or similarity between a God sticker on a cop car v. confederate flag on public land.
One is a marketing tool using a common slogan used by the US and state govts. The other is a southern pride thing that runs deep with passion on all sides of the issue.
Hypocrisy is a judgment on your part. People with opinions here or anywhere have their beliefs for their own reasons.
One is a marketing tool using a common slogan used by the US and state govts. The other is a southern pride thing that runs deep with passion on all sides of the issue.
Hypocrisy is a judgment on your part. People with opinions here or anywhere have their beliefs for their own reasons.
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Teresa, did you read the quote or are you just reacting? Both are about "history and heritage".
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