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Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

You are paying $10 a month for your own website.... a website that you can do anything with... dont a lot of you have your own website?

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Like I said, you dont have to even promote this business on your website... you can do whatever you want with it.... its yours. and i am sure alot of people here pay someone to host thier own website.

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Yep. I pay less than $10 per year for my domain name. What do yours costs? Just curious why you chose your site to have nothing but advertisements on how people made money by getting others to create a website like yours.

Not intending to pick on you, just trying to understand why people buy into such things. I'm guessing that you are out of the Realtor biz, or you you probably be advertising real estate on your site.

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

what does one of your website domain names cost? I couldn't find any info on your site, other than info-mercials.

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Take a look at this messageboard for GDI groupies (in this case, the "Marketing" section)....it is not about "just" selling domain names:

http://talk.ws/index.php?PHPSESSID=d98bfd851676920697f885fc8b710910&board=10.0

One area talks about using "social networking sites" (i.e., facebook...maybe SOWAL.COM??) to "build relationships."

I applaud Kurt for recognizing this MLM as spam-crap and keeping it off the board.

Here's a sample from the board as to how to talk to "leads" you get from your website:

Here is a script that I just wrote for my team to use. Key things to remember.

#1 You MUST speak clearly and confidently. Try standing up with good posture while you talk especially if you have a weak voice or are not comfortable on the phone.

#2 Don't mention money. If the person asks how much you are making, DO NOT TELL THEM. Your reply should be something like this...I don't like to give that information out so soon. The reason being, I don't want to create any false hopes. This is a business, and you do have to put some effort into it. I don't know how much time and effort you are willing to put into your business right now. You can ask me again in a few months but even then I am not promising you I will tell you anything. We will see how much YOU are making in 6 months! Isn't that is what is important.

If they ask how much it costs...Nothing for 7 days. So cost doesn't matter right now, what does is whether or not you can SEE the potential to earn a nice living. (kinda light heartedly...) You might have to skip McDonalds once or twicea month to cover your overhead. It doesnt matter anyway because your BUSINESS should be making a PROFIT!

#3 The purpose of this call is NOT TO SELL AN OPPORTUNITY. It is to HELP your prospect start their own business

Hello "name",

How are you doing today?
My name is...
I just want to let you know that this is not a sales call. In FACT, I am not going to ask you to buy a thing. I only ask for 30 seconds of your time. I do however, have ONE question for you to answer before I continue.

Are you the type of person that would be interested in the possibility of owning your own business and working from the comfort of your own home?(see responses below)

(IF NO)_ I am sorry to hear that, unfortunately this information is not for you. I am sorry to have waisted your time. If you ever decide that you are this type of person...go to www.my.ws and put in (your user name) as the access code. (People do not like to be left out so wait a few seconds and see if they bite and ask for the info then continue with the yes response)
Good bye "name"

(IF YES)Great! You must be a high achiever. Have you ever heard of Global Domains international?(probably not)GDI is the sole distributor of .ws (DOT WS) domains worldwide.
.ws Stands for WebSite just like .com stands for commercial.
Right now there are approximately 30 Million domain names registered accross the world. That number is expected to BOOM to over 500 Million in the next 10 years which is a HUGE opportunity to be leveraged IF you position yourself correctly right now.

Do you have a few minutes and access to the internet right now so you can watch a short movie that GDI has spent a quarter of a million dollars producing and does a much better job of explaining this BUSINESS than I can?

(IF NO)That is ok, If you can grab a pencil and paper, I will give you the website address so you can go to it when you do have the time. Do you have it...OK good. You NEED to go to www.my.ws

Your access code will be(your GDI username)

Just fill in the short form so the movie can be customized for you...they characters will actually say your name. It is pretty neat. Just make sure that your speakers are turned up.

Do you have any questions?
(answer any that you can somewhat vaguely. You goal is to get them to watch the movie by stressing that it will explain it all)

(IF YES)<Get them to go to www.my.ws The access code is your username. Then they will need to fill out their name and email address. Try to stay on the line with them and walk them all the way through the signup process. Even though you can sign up for the free trial without a payment method, try to get them to put that info in there because it will lower your drop-out rate significantly. Point out that they will not be charged until AFTER the 7 day trial anyway.



In the event you get an answering machine

Hi my name is....
It has been brought to my attention that you or someone in your household has been looking for infomation about starting a home business. If this is true go to www.my.ws Your access code will be(your username). Go check it out! You can reach me at...if you have any questions.


I hope this helps.

Brian Perrone

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Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Careful Shelly, about halfway through the pitch and I am ready to sign up. I had to break and come to my senses.

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

You are paying $10 a month for your own website.... a website that you can do anything with... dont a lot of you have your own website?

Like I said, you dont have to even promote this business on your website... you can do whatever you want with it.... its yours. and i am sure alot of people here pay someone to host thier own website.

I got an email from Josh last week too....

Fellow Realtors,
Would you like to make extra income while the market remains slow? I have found the answer to that. I have joined up with a company called Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing. This company is solid as I have done a background check on them and checked them through the BBB. They are a debt free company that has a perfect credit ranking. This company is really going to take off over the next 24 months.


This company has been backed by Forbes and Fox news. You can check out this site here to learn a little more about the company.


We are having a meeting on it tonight at 6:30 in Miramar Beach if you would like to see what it's about.
Address and Directions:
408 Walton Way Miramar Beach 6:30 p.m Tonight!

Please call or email me if you have any questions,
Josh McLean

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Josh, you didn't tell us that you were having an Open House/MLM marketing meeting, in that nice Bayfront Home. Did you remove the for sale sign to impress the others who were coming for the MLM, or did you leave the sign up and hope that the MLM peeps would forget about the MLM and want a tour of the home? Good strategy, either way.

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

I got an email from Josh last week too....

Fellow Realtors,
Would you like to make extra income while the market remains slow? I have found the answer to that. I have joined up with a company called Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing. This company is solid as I have done a background check on them and checked them through the BBB. They are a debt free company that has a perfect credit ranking. This company is really going to take off over the next 24 months.


This company has been backed by Forbes and Fox news. You can check out this site here to learn a little more about the company.


We are having a meeting on it tonight at 6:30 in Miramar Beach if you would like to see what it's about.
Address and Directions:
408 Walton Way Miramar Beach 6:30 p.m Tonight!

Please call or email me if you have any questions,
Josh McLean

I think all the realtors got this email. IF one more calls me to sign up I'm gonna go postal on them. My guess is in 6 months they'll be looking for the next get rich scheme so they can keep driving their BMW's and Mercedes for another month. Amway, Excel phone cards, Shacklee, Send Out Cards. . .broke a** realtors will try anything. . .Josh should have held it at the Destiny Worship Center and everyone could "pray" about it together and at the same time, just maybe the real estate market will turn around and all these Fortune Marketing "realtors" can sign up all their so called friends.

Anybody remember Don Lapre?

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre[/ame]

This guy is soooo annoying.

Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Josh, you didn't tell us that you were having an Open House/MLM marketing meeting, in that nice Bayfront Home.

Got Snacks????



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Re: Anyone know Fortune High Tech Marketing?

Josh, you didn't tell us that you were having an Open House/MLM marketing meeting, in that nice Bayfront Home. Did you remove the for sale sign to impress the others who were coming for the MLM, or did you leave the sign up and hope that the MLM peeps would forget about the MLM and want a tour of the home? Good strategy, either way.

I wonder if the owners of said house are aware it is now a convention/meeting hall?

That's a good question. Here is another. Is Josh's broker aware that their logo is the signature line for Josh's email about MLM meetings?

Anyone remember when Glenn Turner's 'Dare to be Great' program made it through the area? I know a few people in NoWal that were several thousand dollars poorer after going to one of those meetings.

Anybody remember Don Lapre?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre

This guy is soooo annoying.

Back in the mid 1990's when he was at his peak (infomercials every night), he walked into my bar in Vail. I carded him because he looked young, and when I saw his name it clicked who he was. He turned out to be pretty cool and was a good tipper

The common factor of all those youtube testimonial/recruitment videos is that they look like they were made with 'my first editing suite'. With all that money they're making, you'd figure they would put some of it back into marketing materials produced professionally. Also, a good portion of them use stock photos of boats, planes, luxury cars, etc. It would be more of a true testimonial if they were standing next to their own assets.

It would be more of a true testimonial if they were standing next to their own assets.

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Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Remember when the choice of a doctor was yours and your care and treatment was left to just him/her and not some distant stranger whose only interest is “cost containment” and not your well-being?

If so, then you’ve lived long enough to appreciate “what goes around comes around”.

Consequently what is coming around is the return to Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service medical and dental care.

The leading proponent of the “new” old approach to health care is a Seattle based non-profit group named American Association of Patients and Providers (AAPP). They named their approach “SimpleCare”.

SimpleCare was the brainchild of two Seattle physicians, Vern S. Cherewatenko and David McDonald, who tired of 3rd party payers underpaying to the point of loosing money on each treatment performed.

The doctors decided to offer substantially lower fees to patients who would pay cash at the time of service. That change in procedure allowed them to avoid 3rd party payers and dramatically lower their administrative costs.

In a typical treatment scenario, the doctor sees a patient who has come in suffering from the flu. The visit lasts 10 minutes for diagnosis and medication prescription. The staff submits a $79.00 bill to the patients HMO. After a wait of 90 days the doctor’s office receives payment of $43.00 for the service.

The administrative cost for processing the bill is about $20.00, leaving the doctor with a “profit” of $23.00. Not so fast, the overhead for that patient is $30.00. Simple math shows the doctor lost $7.00 treating that patient.

This is not a hypothetical situation. Before SimpleCare, Cherewatenko’s practice had 55 doctors and was losing $80,000 a month due to 3rd party underpayments.

Since implementing SimpleCare, the doctors now charge the flu patient $35.00 if they pay by cash, check or credit card. Again, simple math shows the doctor earned $5.00 instead of a loss of $7.00. The doctors can now avoid bankruptcy, a very real threat to many doctors due to low reimbursements from all 3rd party payers, both public (Medicare and Medicaid) and private (HMO’s, PPO’s etc.).

The consumer wins too. They get the full attention of the doctor, free of “maximum per-patient time limits” and not treatment determined by a distant stranger. The concept of SimpleCare represents a dramatic departure from the “business as usual” model in health care financing. Most important, the patient receives the best healthcare at a reasonable cost.

Today, most health care is paid for through an expensive system known as 3rd party payers, where the 3rd party is an insurance company or a government agency. Many health care experts point to this system as the primary reason we in the U.S. face double-digit health insurance premium inflation and intrusion into our doctor’s decision-making process.

According to renowned economist Milton Friedman, in his analysis, “How To Cure Health Care”, two simple observations are key to the high level of spending on medical care and the dissatisfaction with that spending. The first is that most payments to physicians or hospitals or other caregivers for medical care are made not by the patient, but by a 3rd party. The second is that nobody spends somebody else’s money as wisely or as frugally as he/she spends their own.

Friedman also adds, “no 3rd party is involved when we shop at a supermarket. We pay the supermarket clerk directly. The same for gasoline for our car, clothes on our back and so on down the line.”

The majority has no choice in their health plans since the plans are employer provided. As a result they have no incentive to spend health care dollars wisely, nor do they have much, if any, opportunity to participate in the health care process.

Studies have shown that consumers tied to 3rd party payers may feel they are spending “someone else’s money” and therefore tempted to request unnecessary tests, treatments and other services. Insurers have responded by installing “gate keepers” to review and approve or deny requests for treatments.

James Henderson, author of Health Economics and Policy (Southwestern Publishing, 1999) and professor of economics at Baylor University, describes a classis example of how spending someone else’s money distorts the decision making process.

Henderson writes about a documented case where a 70-year-old man suffering from a ruptured abdominal aortic aneurysm was brought to the hospital and spent weeks in an intensive care unit. The bill approached $275,000, none of which was paid by the patient.

The man’s physician determined that poor eating caused by poorly fitting dentures caused his slow recovery. The doctor requested the hospital dentist perform the needed adjustments. Later the doctor discovered the man had not allowed the hospital dentist to perform the needed adjustments. When asked for a reason, the patient replied, “$75.00 is a lot of money.” Medicare would not pay for the adjustment, so it would have been an out of pocket cost.

The nations reliance on 3d party insurance is expensive and getting more so every year. The cost of health care and insurance coverage has been inflated many times over to cover the expense of having a 3rd party involved in the process.

Is it any wonder then, that programs that promise to return to the older model of patient choice and responsibility are increasingly more popular?

What started out with two doctors has grown into about 500,000 doctors and providers in all disciplines serving nearly 6,000,000 patients in all states. Even some of the largest insurance companies are venturing into the world of Consumer Driven Health Care, but their efforts look a lot like their insured plans with controls and “cost containment”. They just will never learn.

Compliments to Conrad F. Meier and Milton Friedman.

Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

beware, MLM pitch ahead:roll:

Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

beware, MLM pitch ahead:roll:

Not a very effective MLM advert since I found the bald freak uber-annoying and clicked it off about 7 seconds into the pitch.


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Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Skunkape, I resent your reply. Nowhere in post or website am I promoting MLM. I am presenting facts that are supported by studies and referring anyone who is interested in an alternative to a broken healthcare system.

gypsy639

Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Skunkape, I resent your reply. Nowhere in post or website am I promoting MLM. I am presenting facts that are supported by studies and referring anyone who is interested in an alternative to a broken healthcare system.

gypsy639

Ameriplan is MLM the promotion of which is at the end of the post:

To see what the “new” old system can do for you, I invite you

The following information is a summary of our research regarding inforamtion on the so called AmeriPlan Scam'.

AmeriPlan is a provider access organization that uses brokers to provide supplemental health benefits to members. AmeriPlan Corporation arranges for members to have access to dental, vision, prescription drug and chiropractic providers who have agreed to offer their services at negotiated discounts off their usual and customary fees.

The AmeriPlan business opportunity pays out a variety of commissions and bonuses to its brokers based on member acquisition.

AmeriPlan claims to be an insurance company. However, AmeriPlan benefits are not insurance. Participants must use an AmeriPlan provider in order to receive any discount.

The AmeriPlan scam takes place when a representative calls offering 2,500 dollar credit card for $249. This card can be used for medical expenses supposedly covered under AmeriPlan. The caller informs the potential client that they will receive the card in the mail before their bank account is debited. This is not the case.

If a customer asks for more information they are told they will not receive any information until they send their payment.

Often customers do not receive their card yet their accounts are debited the $249.

When the customer calls to find out about the charges they are told they can no longer get the $249 deal. Of course the customers' next move is to try to cancel their account with AmeriPlan. Customers are told they cannot cancel their account over the phone and that they will have to fill out a cancellation form via the internet.

It has been reported that this cancellation process does not work. Customers call back to AmeriPlan and are told to fill out the form online and that nothing else can be done, leaving the customer in a catch 22 situation.

AmeriPlan claims these cases are isolated and that they, "have never had any of these complaints." However, any internet search on The AmeriPlan Scam will yield an alarming number of consumer complaints.


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Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Skunkape, I resent your reply. Nowhere in post or website am I promoting MLM. I am presenting facts that are supported by studies and referring anyone who is interested in an alternative to a broken healthcare system.

gypsy639

Give us all a break...it is (yet) another MLM scam that is more tasteless than most since it preys on people without health insurance.

I am afraid JoshMclean and Hollibird already recruited all the SOWALers who might have been interested in MLM. You can read all about it on this thread: MLM discussion - SoWal Beaches Forum That is about all that needs to be said.

Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Except maybe that: politicians listening to Milton Friedman (may he RIP) has a lot to do with the economic situation we find ourselves in now.

Re: Consumer Driven Fee-For-Service Health Care Makes A Comeback

Ameriplan is MLM the promotion of which is at the end of the post:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz3SUXRVj6M&feature=related


The following information is a summary of our research regarding inforamtion on the so called AmeriPlan Scam'.

AmeriPlan is a provider access organization that uses brokers to provide supplemental health benefits to members. AmeriPlan Corporation arranges for members to have access to dental, vision, prescription drug and chiropractic providers who have agreed to offer their services at negotiated discounts off their usual and customary fees.

The AmeriPlan business opportunity pays out a variety of commissions and bonuses to its brokers based on member acquisition.

AmeriPlan claims to be an insurance company. However, AmeriPlan benefits are not insurance. Participants must use an AmeriPlan provider in order to receive any discount.

The AmeriPlan scam takes place when a representative calls offering 2,500 dollar credit card for $249. This card can be used for medical expenses supposedly covered under AmeriPlan. The caller informs the potential client that they will receive the card in the mail before their bank account is debited. This is not the case.

If a customer asks for more information they are told they will not receive any information until they send their payment.

Often customers do not receive their card yet their accounts are debited the $249.

When the customer calls to find out about the charges they are told they can no longer get the $249 deal. Of course the customers' next move is to try to cancel their account with AmeriPlan. Customers are told they cannot cancel their account over the phone and that they will have to fill out a cancellation form via the internet.

It has been reported that this cancellation process does not work. Customers call back to AmeriPlan and are told to fill out the form online and that nothing else can be done, leaving the customer in a catch 22 situation.

AmeriPlan claims these cases are isolated and that they, "have never had any of these complaints." However, any internet search on The AmeriPlan Scam will yield an alarming number of consumer complaints.


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Shelly

In response to your post: You state Ameriplan "claim" to be an insurance company. I challange you to find and post any official Ameriplan document where the insurance company claim is made.

You also stated Ameriplan scam representative calls offering $2500 credit card for $249. I again challange you to prove that statement. such a product does not exist in product portfolio.

Since your post is now part of the public domain and slander and liable is evident, your post has been forwarded to Ameriplan Legal Department for their review.

Have a nice day