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miznotebook

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Thank, the good discussions here on SoWal are also appreciated, and I for one have learned a lot over the past few weeks on this topic. I was not challenging that many of the people who posted may have been north of the bay residents. I did glance at the posts but didn't do a tally or even notice places of residence that much. Just wanted to clarify that the Herald/Breeze serves all of Walton County.
 

Teresa

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Thank, the good discussions here on SoWal are also appreciated, and I for one have learned a lot over the past few weeks on this topic. I was not challenging that many of the people who posted may have been north of the bay residents. I did glance at the posts but didn't do a tally or even notice places of residence that much. Just wanted to clarify that the Herald/Breeze serves all of Walton County.

Yes I know it does. And thankful for such an excellent paper. Never miss it.

A very interesting informal fb poll on the DeFuniak Herald Facebook page. Lots of response. In a good way but it was eye opening to me. I guess I had expected a more mixed opinion such as here in this forum.

I think most people kept it pretty respectful, even if heated somewhat. We live and learn about our fellow neighbors. We are all in this together.
 

Leader of the Banned

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To use a Facebook page as a valid example of anything is a stretch as far as I'm concerned. You just validated why I don't belong to Facebook. Nevertheless if the memorial remains, the flag should remain as a part of it. It has nothing to do with racism and those attempting to make it so do not accept the progress that has been made in this area. Is there more yet to do? Yes, certainly but the blacks themselves now have to step up and help make that happen. Every one of you, white and black know what I am talking about.

You are completely wrong. Whether you like fascebook or not, it is one of the most accurate representations of public sentiment on virtually every issue. The reason is because virtually everyone is on it.
 

Teresa

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You are completely wrong. Whether you like fascebook or not, it is one of the most accurate representations of public sentiment on virtually every issue. The reason is because virtually everyone is on it.

True. And not necessarily palatable. I am very controlling of my fb experience. Can't look at all that. Just a peek now and then. Just like I don't turn on the TV except for very specific programs.

I do know quite a lot of people, friends, family of all ages who choose not to be on Facebook. They have other things to do, or they just aren't interested in learning social media, or they have other interests that keep them from wanting to spend time online. Some people use it to read only and not post anything personal.
 

Leader of the Banned

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The only thing about face book is that some discussions are going to be more populated by people of a partricular ideology. For instance Left Action is going to have a different demographic than Fox News. So if you want to get an idea where people really stand, you read both. But don't do this to brighten up your day.
 

Teresa

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The only thing about face book is that some discussions are going to be more populated by people of a partricular ideology. For instance Left Action is going to have a different demographic than Fox News. So if you want to get an idea where people really stand, you read both. But don't do this to brighten up your day.

Yes. I do venture to certain segments occasionally. Always something to learn. I like looking at Huckabee's page. Our neighbor! Always enlightening. Lol. I think he has multiple personalities sometimes. I like some of them. Like when he appeared on Bill Maher. He was open minded, funny and gracious without thumping on a bible.
 

Misty

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You know Teresa I think I have made my thoughts well known on my personal position and I'd like to think I've done it in an articulate, thoughtful way but maybe I've missed the mark somewhere....so let me try this again.

People in general whether its you, me, jdarg, Andy A, Poppy (whoever) have an absolute right to be personally offended by something you find offensive. Being what I consider agnostic as it relates to religion, I'm offended by people who knock on my door (possibly interrupting and important phone call, bathroom break, meal prep etc.) to deliver a sermon, pamphlets relating to a religion or to solicit donations etc. so, I tell them I'm not interested and shut the door. Sometimes, I even slam the door because it annoys the hell-o out of me but I'm not asking the government to remove and entire religious community because I don't believe in the same religion they do. The same could be said of the Nativity Scene and the 10 Commandments. I'm personally offended by those adornments sitting on Government Land because it fly's in the face of the Constitution and because I don't personally share in the Christian faith. I think it's offensive to Jews, Non Christians and people of differing faiths (IE) Buddhists, Pagans, Amish, Jehovah etc. (the list goes on and on) but if I created a petition to have them removed from the Courthouse I'd be putting a target on my own back for my entire Community to write, threaten and say disrespectful, hurtful things and ask that I be shot at sundown. In my opinion, while it certainly isn't legal to do those things, I can justify in my own mind why people would say and do them because I'm trying to change an entire Communities way of life and honestly, that is the very CRUX of this issue. People in the South end of the County who started this petition are hell bent to change an entire County of people, what they believe in, what they have fought and died for and what they have struggled to preserve what they consider to be is their piece of the promised land simply because they are offended and have a different view of what a piece of cloth means. Again, you have the right to your views, you have the right to be offended but you DO NOT have the right to change the history behind why that flag flies in Walton County or how the Community as a whole views that monument.

I personally have not signed either of the petitions floating around the County or on the internet because I'm not about changing who people are or what they can or can't believe in. It's arrogant, it's disrespectful, it's racist and ignorant because WE personally choose whether or not to be offended. Yes, it's a choice, if you want to be offended by something you can certainly find something to be offended by.

You're asking people to see why removing it could be a positive step while refusing to see that they don't view it in the same context you do. That's ridiculous. You are not going to change people. If you care about every member of your community then RESPECT the fact that it represents something entirely different to them which has nothing to do with race and hatred in their minds.

And for whatever its worth, we have a wonderful population of blacks in North Walton who have all the latest gadgets, bells and whistles when it come to social media/internet some of whom I consider friends, some I know of in passing and I have not seen one single comment on the sites that I visit or those who I have personally spoken to (which admittedly is not the entire population in North Walton) saying that flag should be removed.

I may need to expand my viewing pleasures to accommodate a larger audience.
 

Teresa

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I totally get it Misty. I wasn't responding to your views on the issue. I understand your view and agree with you almost 100%, but that's not the point.

I believe we are all capable of change. Sometimes it's the little things that we do for others that make the biggest impact.

Sometimes it's time to think about what represents us well as a whole community and what doesn't.

Sometimes it's just time to let go of the past and look to a more inclusive future. What are the social and economic implications of living under a confederate flag in this day and age?

I totally agree with you that we can't expect everyone to agree or to change because their views are equally relevant and important. I do not expect them to. Still, it's an important issue to resolve one way or another, regardless of who started the petition. If we keep the flag then so be it. At least it's well hidden. At least my state capital removed it long ago. I can live with it. I've never expected much from a county level govt of mostly good old boy politics. Though we do have at least one good woman representing us.
 

Misty

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I believe we are all capable of change. Sometimes it's the little things that we do for others that make the biggest impact.

Funny word "change" is...people in the South End want to "change" things for everyone else in almost every aspect of their lives, most of whom changed their "home state" and migrated to Walton County Beaches and now want to change the way the majority of the County has lived all their lives. Presumptuous at best, in my opinion.

I've never expected much from Walton County govt.

Then I'm equally sure you have not been disappointed. :)
 
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Teresa

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Funny word "change" is...people in the South End want to "change" things for everyone else in almost every aspect of their lives, most of whom changed their "home state" and migrated to Walton County Beaches and now want to change the way the majority of the County has lived all their lives. Presumptuous at best, in my opinion.

I don't think we are for changing the way people live at all. I could never get behind that way of thinking. But some of us do want a better government for South Walton's future growth. Some of us just want our county govt to represent all of us fairly.

Some do care about the image of a flag over our county which represents us all.

Most of us moved here from other places and many try to be involved. It's what makes for a great community. I don't like when people move in from cities and want all the things they are used to having to follow them here immediately. That's not who we are. Many of them end up leaving.

This is a very special community. We should protect it and care for it and respect it's uniqueness. We don't have to be like every other US city.

But that's not the issue here. The issue is a flag that flies over the entire County. Not how people choose to live. Or how they think. Listen, that flag just may go away. But we'll still be a very conservative slice of USA. There is no changing that fact. I am used to it after over 20 years here and all my life in the South. Even embrace it. It is our way.

No I am not disappointed in Walton County govt because it is what it is suppose to be... A small committee of government to oversee the entire County in limited ways operating under the State. But I think we can do better and should try in South Walton. Defuniak Springs, Paxton, Freeport have their own committed government to manage their cities for a reason. But this is really a subject for another day.
 
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