WCSD Superintendent Race

Discussion in 'Local Government and Groups' started by beachbums77, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. j p nettles

    j p nettles Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Ebro
    For all those who vote R and have no concept of corruption and ethics, Jesse Jackson, Jr. also won his district.
     
  2. 30ARosie

    30ARosie Beach Comber

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2008
    Messages:
    19
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Rosemary Beach
    Qualifications to run for superintendent? Got to have a high school education, as long as you have that your in and the job can be yours!

    I'm confused if Anderson had a closed door meeting with no witnesses then how does your source know EXACTLY what happened? Right, they don't, but listening to a one-sided argument is still fun, right?
     
  3. meggiemom

    meggiemom Beach Lover

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2012
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    22
    Location:
    Walton
    There are two sides to the story. I believe Mrs. Ragle's version.
     
  4. Independent Thinker

    Independent Thinker Beach Lover

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2012
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    55
    Location:
    Santa Rosa Beach
    Read my post again, her mouthy little pet snitch witnessed the events leading up to the closed door session. I stated Carlene exhibited her ignorance by not having a witness present during the meeting. Regardless, the way she reacted was deplorable. Mrs. Ragle was not even allowed to enter her office when she arrived for work.
     
  5. j p nettles

    j p nettles Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Ebro
    On the Carlene Anderson for Superintendent Facebook page there was an endorsement by the chairman of the rubber stamp committee, Dennis Wallace. He was praising her for balancing the budget among other things. Wallace ought to be an expert on budgets. He's on the board of BankTrust (BTFG), one of the many banks that hit bottom after the financial meltdown by making bad loans. It's finally being bought by Trustmark, but the board has been the subject of an investigation and the acquisition has been delayed.
     
  6. Alicia Leonard

    Alicia Leonard SoWal Insider

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,106
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    In the little town with FUN in the middle
    IT, please clarify. There was someone there when it all went down, but no witnesses. Just trying to understand how the information was shared if no one was there, but they were there. And I agree with having someone in the room. An HR person or other witness should have been present for a meeting of this sort. It was bound to end badly from the start with no one else present and that's just my personal opinion.

    OK, IT, I went back and read your prior post and now understand someone was there up to the closed door part. Thx!
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  7. ann watson

    ann watson Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Seagrove Beach
    The Human Resources director is Sonya Alford. Perhaps she should have been in on this.
     
  8. j p nettles

    j p nettles Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Ebro
    Walton Academy, the charter school is run by the Rader Group. The Rader Group made a contribution to Carlene Anderson's campaign. I understand that the charter is up for renewal in a few months. Is this really good public policy (ethical)? This is the same outfit that gave Ray Sansom a job. And Bill Eddins is principal in one of the Okaloosa County charter schools. Is he related to the state attorney?
     
  9. Alicia Leonard

    Alicia Leonard SoWal Insider

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,106
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    In the little town with FUN in the middle
    Who decides the renewal? The SB or Anderson? And I know, I know what everyone says about the board rubber stamping request, but it's an honest question. I think you could probably tie donations by groups to someone they might want something from, from most of the political candidates. People donate and vote for those they think will help their business or cause from the presidential race down to the school board. Not saying it's ethical, but is it illegal? I disagree personally with many things that bother me ethics wise but are perfectly legal according to the law citizens support through their votes.

    Two instances I will mention, and please, I am only asking an honest question and am seeking opinions, not for anyone to jump on me or to get upset.

    First, Marti Coley really brought home the bacon for her campus in Chiply/Bonifay area and was never held to the same scrutiny as Samson to my knowledge. Second, when politicians come into office, there is always a "reorganization" of the ranks. There were many changes when our sheriff came into office four years ago. Some people went home, some had their rank lowered and some changed positions. When someone changes their cabinet when they enter into or back into office, that is usually expected. I agree that this with Mrs. Ragel was pretty sudden, but if I remember correctly, and I don't always, I'm human, the sheriff's transition team came in before he took office and starting sifting through personnel and where they would be placed or if they would stay.

    I'm honestly just asking how is this different in the posters eyes here and not taking any side or saying what has happened is right or OK. I just want to understand what people think about these issues. Thank you for any thoughts anyone wants to share. :)
     
  10. Independent Thinker

    Independent Thinker Beach Lover

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2012
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    55
    Location:
    Santa Rosa Beach
    I get your point, but the changes in the Sheriffs Dept. don't usually occur unless a new sheriff is elected. Why did Anderson decide to relieve Mrs Ragle of her duties the day after the election ? Why was this not done before the school year started or before Mrs. Ragle annouced she would be running for the office ? It just appears to be either a vendictive move, or poor planning and leadership.
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  11. Alicia Leonard

    Alicia Leonard SoWal Insider

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,106
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    In the little town with FUN in the middle
    I agree, IT, the timing and the fact no HR person was in the room are not positive for me personally. I'm going to try to get the skinny on all the employees that were moved that day and report what both sides are willing to speak on record about. I've worked in many different areas, offices small and large and I would never agree to a meeting with a supervisor that I had clashed with without an HR person or someone I trusted to tell the truth no matter their position if and that's a big if, I had the where with all to ask for it. Sometimes, things happen so quickly, we don't make the best choices for ourselves when we are surprised by something. I'm disappointed, personally, as a tax payer, that another person was not included in this meeting if either side requested it. That's pretty much HR 101 from my experience. :sosad: And if it cost the tax payers and home owners, like myself, that this was not handled correctly, then that upsets me personally as well. :sosad: But let me add this big IF: If this is what has happened as we do not have everyone on the record that was in the room that day. It will be up to the people involved to share their sides of the story on this issue that they can by law and then the public can decide what they think about it.

    I already have more bubble gum than I can chew for next week's edition, but I will cover the SB on Tuesday morning and hopefully have something on this out for the week after edition that will cover all the bases and changes that were made. Let me add that Mrs. Ragel, her supporters or just anyone disturbed by this or anything else are always welcome to voice their opinion in a letter to the editor and that would go out with next week's edition if received before Monday at 4 p.m. Letters can be mailed to Bruce@defuniakherald.com or dfsherald@gmail.com and marked, Atten: Letter to the editor.
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  12. j p nettles

    j p nettles Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Ebro
    I've attended a lot of board meetings and don't think I've ever seen the board not approve the superintendent's recommendations. I've talked to a lot of teachers and I wonder why the union has never filed a complaint against the district on behalf of it's members. If this were Dade, Broward, or some other counties, the union would have stood up for their members. The most useful thing to come out of a civil action is that a lot of people would have to give depositons and I'd love to see what some school district officials would say under oath.
     
  13. Alicia Leonard

    Alicia Leonard SoWal Insider

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,106
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    In the little town with FUN in the middle
    That would make for some very interesting news as well, JP! :)
     
  14. Alicia Leonard

    Alicia Leonard SoWal Insider

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,106
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    In the little town with FUN in the middle
    JP, I'm not aware of a lot of history of the new member. With the new member coming on, do you think the shift of power will change on the board or stay the same?
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  15. j p nettles

    j p nettles Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    63
    Location:
    Ebro
    I suspect the new member, a retired principal, will be another rubber stamp. I believe she contributed to Mrs. Anderson's campaign in 2008.
     
  16. ann watson

    ann watson Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Seagrove Beach
    As a former Walton County educator, I'd love to know the reason why I was non renewed in 2010. I taught for 4 years with good evaluations and excellent student performance in my first grade class. I've applied in other counties and one of the questions is: "Have you ever been fired or denied continued employment, if so why". Obviously, I've been denied continued employment. I can only guess, since the law doesn't require a reason. How do you answer a question like that?
     
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2012
  17. Independent Thinker

    Independent Thinker Beach Lover

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2012
    Messages:
    108
    Likes Received:
    55
    Location:
    Santa Rosa Beach
    Good question...... and it's certainly not fair. I have some questions, and your answer to my question may answer your question; (1) are you a Walton county "native" (2) (I know the answer to this - no) are you part of Andersons suck-up click (3) Isn't in commonplace here to not renew contracts for good teachers after 3 or 4 years ?
     
  18. ann watson

    ann watson Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Seagrove Beach
    All of the above. I also signed Trisha Hutchison's petition when she ran in 2008 and I was told that wasn't a good idea. It really hurts to lose a career of more than 30 years and not be given a reason. Also, my husband was very ill at the time and we thought he might not live and to suddenly lose a job and health insurance was a real blow. When I applied for unemployment, I was initially denied because the school district reported to them that I might be rehired. They had no intention of rehiring me. Forgive me if I sound bitter.
     
  19. Alicia Leonard

    Alicia Leonard SoWal Insider

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,106
    Likes Received:
    1,506
    Location:
    In the little town with FUN in the middle
    Miss Watson, I am very sorry for what you have gone through. Why do you think Trisha has not had any consequences for running against Mrs. Anderson or has something happened with her I am not aware of?
     
  20. meggiemom

    meggiemom Beach Lover

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2012
    Messages:
    222
    Likes Received:
    22
    Location:
    Walton
    Ms. Hutchison probably has tenure. I understand that it's very difficult to get rid of teachers who have tenure. Mrs. Ragle is probably under a different contract. I think the new education law did away with tenure for all teachers who didn't already have it.
     

Share This Page