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Stone Cold J

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Jun 6, 2019
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Dissenting views expressed on any issue either from Americans or organizations in America is what makes America America. We will not be intimidated, influenced or discouraged in any way into submission by threats, veiled threats or otherwise.

Dave, asking honest questions, that are the core of the lawsuit, of which FBFA is a PLANFIFF, and you have supported with rally cries of No Compromise, and you are regarded a FBFA leader and founder, should not be intimidating, especially since FBFA is leading the charge and millions of dollars of the people of Walton County are at risk.

Do you think the county has proved (or even provided any evidence) that the lawsuit by the county to take away private property rights (the right of exclusion) is reasonable, without interruption, and free from dispute? If so please explain your answer or provide any evidence.
 

steel1man

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Jan 10, 2013
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Trained Weather Folks can barely predict the weather accurately 3-4 days out (50% correct at best).... How are these clowns predicting our demise 12-50 years out.......#HowLongCanYouThreadWater
 

kayti elliott

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Feb 19, 2014
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If the beach is public property, why not cover them with solar panels and put up offshore windmills. That would make it easier for the government to ban fossil fuels. I also understand that there are devices that harness the energy of waves. That would solve the problem of people wanting to go to the beach.
 

FloridaBeachBum

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Feb 9, 2017
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Dissenting views expressed on any issue either from Americans or organizations in America is what makes America America.
Does not make dissenting baseless emotional uninformed customary use "beliefs" factual, based on American Constitution, American rule of law, any more believable (except to those who don't know any different), or relevant to Walton private property rights.

Who is "We" will not be intimidated"? Who is making "threats, veiled threats, personal attacks"?
#421 "Game On!" Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Beachfront private property owners will not be intimidated by CU antisocial media, influenced by CU intentional misinformation or discouraged by class warfare conspiracies in any way into submission by threats, veiled threats, personal attacks or otherwise from those with no real property skin in the game.

CUnCourt

Stone Cold J, Dave Rauschkolb has been asked to explain CU beliefs with facts over the years and on this thread previously #236 but there is no explination or facts or basis in law. Just I "believe" in my version of CU.

#236 Dave Rausckolb can you please explain just ONE of the four or more criterion of ancient English customary use and what evidence you think applies to any of the 1,192 Walton private beach parcels to justify your positions?
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#243 Can you describe how any legal criteria of customary use applies to private property? Why would any beachfront owner identify themselves so Ulhfelder and others can pick a fight and taunt law enforcement on anti-social media?
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#249 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#502 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#543 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#647 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#660 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#728 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#722 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#790 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#833 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#859 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#883 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#950 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#1012 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#1243 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

And Dave Rauschkolb calls others "delusional"???
#1406 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
 

bob1

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Jun 26, 2010
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Does not make dissenting baseless emotional uninformed customary use "beliefs" factual, based on American Constitution, American rule of law, any more believable (except to those who don't know any different), or relevant to Walton private property rights.

Who is "We" will not be intimidated"? Who is making "threats, veiled threats, personal attacks"?
#421 "Game On!" Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Beachfront private property owners will not be intimidated by CU antisocial media, influenced by CU intentional misinformation or discouraged by class warfare conspiracies in any way into submission by threats, veiled threats, personal attacks or otherwise from those with no real property skin in the game.

CUnCourt

Stone Cold J, Dave Rauschkolb has been asked to explain CU beliefs with facts over the years and on this thread previously #236 but there is no explination or facts or basis in law. Just I "believe" in my version of CU.

#236 Dave Rausckolb can you please explain just ONE of the four or more criterion of ancient English customary use and what evidence you think applies to any of the 1,192 Walton private beach parcels to justify your positions?
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#243 Can you describe how any legal criteria of customary use applies to private property? Why would any beachfront owner identify themselves so Ulhfelder and others can pick a fight and taunt law enforcement on anti-social media?
Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#249 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#502 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#543 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#647 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#660 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#728 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#722 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#790 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#833 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#859 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#883 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#950 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#1012 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#1243 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

And Dave Rauschkolb calls others "delusional"???
#1406 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
:doh::doh::doh: :spin::spin::spin::spin::puke:

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BlueMtnBeachVagrant

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Jun 20, 2005
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Dissenting views expressed on any issue either from Americans or organizations in America is what makes America America.
We all agree with that except for the concept of supporting one’s dissenting views with twisted or made up facts.

We will not be intimidated, influenced or discouraged in any way into submission by threats, veiled threats, personal attacks or otherwise.
I hope you didn’t take Stone Cold J’s post about FBFA’s possible legal fee liability as a threat. The timing is too coincidental. If not, why did you make such a statement after all this time?

BTW, you still haven’t acknowledged Reggie’s challenge for a debate, or have you?
 

Reggie Gaskins

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Oct 4, 2018
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Blue Mountain Beach
It seems there is confusion and discussion in the community over an FBFA piece from DR that has appeared in many public venues. Ricky Garcia, of Santa Rosa Beach(?) has leveled the discussion on an FBFA FB page to more objective facts, rather than subjective heresay... interesting discussion point?

Ricky Garcia:
Although very powerful, this post is an opinion piece, improperly stating a few facts that create a false premise. While we should all respect each other’s positions and opinions on local matters, it’s important that facts not be misrepresented to make one’s point. A legal scholar might have rewritten this post, with correct factual and current legal statutes, to read as follows...

Advocates for Private Beaches say the County is unfairly suing 1200+ beachfront owners, and many of those are multi family units, resulting in nearly 5,000 owners being sued by county.

The County is now properly following the procedures set forth in a popularly supported and passed by more than a super majority in both state legislative bodies, House Bill 631 designed to affirm an existing state process for beach counties wishing to establish Customary Use. A Bill beachfront owners supported in addition to the current “one off” court cases. They support the Bill that reaffirms the legal process that required a judicial body to rule on Customary Use, rather than such an obvious illegal overreach by a local political body.

Any Customary Use Ordinance, by law, requires a decision in the courts. Florida Legislature at the urging of those lawmakers recognizing proper existing legal process, properly applied existing state law against the home rule overreach by our local County Commissioners in a previous unlawful ordinance.

Customary Use argument should have originally been litigated until a Judge ruled in that case, so the Florida Legislature, by starting the reconfirming law on July 1, 2018 required the people wishing for the public to enjoy full use of our private beaches, a path different from the customary history of public and private beaches in Walton County that has existed for centuries. This start date, confirming Florida and US Constitutional property rights, validated beachfront property owners rights to exclude unruly and arbitrary people from the sands they have owned with their families for hundreds of years. This will correctly let the Judge decide what the go forward process will be.

NO, the County did not just arbitrarily decide to sue the 1200 + properties, aka 5,000 owners, they were legally required to follow the proper legal procedure from the Florida Legislature and reacting to the unlawful establishment of our County’s unlawfully passed County Ordinance. The County was put into a box; it was either immediately and forever lose the Hail Mary attempt at an unlawful ordinance for use of the private beaches for it's public citizens and visitors - or follow the HB631 procedures to properly establish Customary Use.

It is fact, however, that Customary Use law has never legally existed in Walton County. Further, it is also succinct and proven fact that no public beach has been newly “privatized” by any law, including Quiet Title actions. Those actions merely confirmed or further defined already long ownership for many decades, that private beach.

The county had no choice; follow the procedures set forth in house bill 631, and long standing state law, or let our beaches remain a patchwork of 50% private and 50% public beaches. I, in my opinion as President of FBFA, admire and applaud their conviction by taking measures towards the public use of all of our private beaches for us and future generations. And if this lawsuit is won the rest of Florida and The Nation can thank them for taking this first important and essential step. Dave Rauschkolb

Great discussion opportunity here.....
 

Dave Rauschkolb

Beach Fanatic
Jul 13, 2005
1,006
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Santa Rosa Beach
It seems there is confusion and discussion in the community over an FBFA piece from DR that has appeared in many public venues. Ricky Garcia, of Santa Rosa Beach(?) has leveled the discussion on an FBFA FB page to more objective facts, rather than subjective heresay... interesting discussion point?

Ricky Garcia:
Although very powerful, this post is an opinion piece, improperly stating a few facts that create a false premise. While we should all respect each other’s positions and opinions on local matters, it’s important that facts not be misrepresented to make one’s point. A legal scholar might have rewritten this post, with correct factual and current legal statutes, to read as follows...

Advocates for Private Beaches say the County is unfairly suing 1200+ beachfront owners, and many of those are multi family units, resulting in nearly 5,000 owners being sued by county.

The County is now properly following the procedures set forth in a popularly supported and passed by more than a super majority in both state legislative bodies, House Bill 631 designed to affirm an existing state process for beach counties wishing to establish Customary Use. A Bill beachfront owners supported in addition to the current “one off” court cases. They support the Bill that reaffirms the legal process that required a judicial body to rule on Customary Use, rather than such an obvious illegal overreach by a local political body.

Any Customary Use Ordinance, by law, requires a decision in the courts. Florida Legislature at the urging of those lawmakers recognizing proper existing legal process, properly applied existing state law against the home rule overreach by our local County Commissioners in a previous unlawful ordinance.

Customary Use argument should have originally been litigated until a Judge ruled in that case, so the Florida Legislature, by starting the reconfirming law on July 1, 2018 required the people wishing for the public to enjoy full use of our private beaches, a path different from the customary history of public and private beaches in Walton County that has existed for centuries. This start date, confirming Florida and US Constitutional property rights, validated beachfront property owners rights to exclude unruly and arbitrary people from the sands they have owned with their families for hundreds of years. This will correctly let the Judge decide what the go forward process will be.

NO, the County did not just arbitrarily decide to sue the 1200 + properties, aka 5,000 owners, they were legally required to follow the proper legal procedure from the Florida Legislature and reacting to the unlawful establishment of our County’s unlawfully passed County Ordinance. The County was put into a box; it was either immediately and forever lose the Hail Mary attempt at an unlawful ordinance for use of the private beaches for it's public citizens and visitors - or follow the HB631 procedures to properly establish Customary Use.

It is fact, however, that Customary Use law has never legally existed in Walton County. Further, it is also succinct and proven fact that no public beach has been newly “privatized” by any law, including Quiet Title actions. Those actions merely confirmed or further defined already long ownership for many decades, that private beach.

The county had no choice; follow the procedures set forth in house bill 631, and long standing state law, or let our beaches remain a patchwork of 50% private and 50% public beaches. I, in my opinion as President of FBFA, admire and applaud their conviction by taking measures towards the public use of all of our private beaches for us and future generations. And if this lawsuit is won the rest of Florida and The Nation can thank them for taking this first important and essential step. Dave Rauschkolb

Great discussion opportunity here.....



Ricky Garcia, another fake, anon poster/poser created for the "Walton County Vision's AKA Walton Wave Facebook Page, formerly touted as a fully public page and now private. We vet anonymous posters whenever possible and delete content if posted anonymously. If I am wrong that you are not representing yourself, a real person/resident of Walton County Mr. Garcia, full apologies are in order. Your altering my original works originally published by me will get no "discussion" from me.
 
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