Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Ok mputnal lets use some linear thinking. #2197 ‘I think the word is "limit".’ What happens after the State Park limit is exceeded? The Parks have the right to exclude the public!? Why does the State of Florida have the right to exclude and private individuals who had title to the same beach front previously did not? What is different about the beachfront title and bundle of rights? What facts or law do you have to offer? I do not need to bail you out (sarcasm). We have heard the class warfare conspiracies and beliefs before.

“The only thing different [before FS163.035] is the designation of who is the defendant and who is the plant(i)ff.” That’s an important distinction! The Plaintiff has the Burden of proof to show ancient English common law CU is superior to American Constitutional individual property rights. The Defendant (BPOs) do not have to prove private property is private with all Constitutional bundle of rights. That is the status quo today. The Walton BCC are suing 4,671 BPOs to EXCLUDE their CHOICE to have Constitutional quiet, uninterrupted, enjoyment of their private property and are having to spend tens of thousands of their own money to Defend their rights to CHOOSE.

Jim Tucker if the State of Florida can “limit” public access by charging fees, density, vehicle access, and pets; why can’t individual BPOs choose to have quiet, uninterrupted, use and enjoyment of the property they pay taxes on (not the public)?

I’m guessing bob1 is not moving from the area and neither are 1,193 BPO parcel owners; with the lawful BPO bundle of rights they have had since 1776 and today as recognized by the 2015 Sherriff’s trespass enforcement SOP.

Fbb, I love the entertainment value you bring to this forum. I am surprised I have to explain the difference in LIMIT and EXCLUDE. Guess which one of those words allow you to enjoy a desert or to not enjoy a desert? I would rather eat a small piece of pecan pie than none at all at Thanksgiving but at least my doctor agrees with you and says to exclude the pies . If the park has a limit on how many people can enjoy the park then I trust them with that power. You however I do not because you are mad as a hatter at having to share the beach enjoyment. I know for a fact that you are not very "agreeable". Just kidding you. You could be a very happy person but I have not seen that side yet...

I have read many of the documents of evidence that the BCC has included in the affirmation process. Neither you or I know what the good Judge will do but if he throws out all those documents I think he would have to answer to a higher court. The BCC does not have to prove which laws are superior only the evidence to support the declaration of public customary recreational use is ancient, uninterrupted, reasonable and without dispute. Easy peasy. Just kidding you again. Nothing is cheap or easy in a court of law.

Jim I would like to answer that question. State Parks cost money to maintain so Fbb please share (I know that is a bad word for you) with us how you maintain the beach sand. Also, Remember that one of your associates stated that the beach sand is not Realestate. Do you agree or disagree?

If you believe that something happened in 1776 that gave you exclusive enjoyment of beach sand then I have some land down in Mexico that I would like to sell you. If you were living in 1776 and were female or black or Native American where were was that bundle of rights?!? Or maybe I have an infected blanket that I will sell you...no I will give you the blanket . You sound like an adult white male that has enjoyed way more entitlement than you deserve. I know that because I am one also. I will not assume that you have not worked hard in your life for the things you want but there are many people who have worked hard and are not rewarded equally with the same effort. It is a fact...

I agree with Jim Tucker that the horse is out of the barn. IMO that’s what’s caused so much of the current overcrowding. But it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to prevent future unbridled growth. If CU wins then all of the developers can rightfully tell buyers, and buyers can tell renters, that they have the legal right to use all of the beach areas, not just those that are public. The County, realtors, and other local businesses can advertise the same. We’ll be further encouraging even more overcrowding. Maybe we don’t have to control beach density with physical barriers. Controlling capacity would be a step in the right direction. I agree with bob1 that if the County and the developers have their way, the last 20 years are going to look like nothing compared to the next 20 years. We can’t do anything about the last 20 years, but we should try to do something about the next 20 years. The more tourists, the more local businesses. The more local businesses, the greater the need for housing and infrastructure (schools, fire, police, etc.) for locals who work in those businesses. It’s a vicious cycle and I think CU will make it worse.

Well you got to control the planning commission and the BCC - the business and development people own it. And then you control the TDC and can sepnd money on something other than advertising. There are state laws that specify how you spend tourist tax dollars but you can bend funds how you want if you have the power.

DanaMarie, I agree with you completely about over-development and the problems it is causing. It is a reasonable cause for beach over crowding but I would not agree with customary use as being a contributory factor. If you follow the money it will take you straight toward the influences that big developers have over the system. I will stand with you on this issue. However I do not see in any possible way that customary use is a factor. People have always loved and enjoy the beach and always will. I owe it to future generations of my family and friends to stand up for public recreational use of these beaches. I can disagree with you on private exclusive enjoyment of the beach and agree with you on over development, vending and beach behavior. Is this a breakthrough moment

mputnal,

I purposely did not respond to your last few replies to me because they were rude and I was tired of listening to your monologues, since the intention of my posts has been dialogue. I am tired of your lectures and condescension, as if you are morally superior and more intelligent. I am tired of you using a post of mine to reply to and then launching into the same old political diatribe. Most of all, I am tired of you putting words in my mouth just so you can disagree with a statement I did not actually make. I did NOT say CU contributed to the current overcrowding. When the Ordinance was in effect and before it was repealed, CU might have been a contributing factor, but I didn’t say that, because I don’t know if it is true or not.

If you actually read what I wrote you will see that I was talking about future capacity and future development. If developers can advertise free use of private beaches to the owners and renters of large non-beach developments, they’ll get higher sales prices and higher rental rates. That’s a fact. Higher sales prices and higher rental rates means more developments will be financially feasible and more will be built. That’s a fact.

So, please don’t put words in my mouth or take them out of context just so you can agree or disagree with me. And, BTW, none of my posts have been directed at you or even mentioned your name except those where you replied to a post of mine. So please go argue with someone else.

DanaMarie, I guess that means there was no breakthrough moment . Because I respect you and your opinions I will not respond to what I consider a bit of hypocrisy on your part and an inability to recognize your own rudeness. I am not offended by your words because I believe you are entitled to your opinions and I have learned to have thick skin. I tend to agree with you on my tiresome lectures and monologues. There is no new information coming from any of us. Why we keep posting the same stuff over and over again is a mystery. I generally respond to those who reference something I said or use my name especially when they twist my words. I much rather enjoy trying to find common ground with people and that is why I responded to your post at all. BTW I am not superior in any category of life. That is a fact

Mputnal,

There it is with the name calling again. First you accused me of being disrespectful and now you accuse me of hypocrisy. Really? Yes, my last post was rude. I never said it wasn’t. It was in response to the last several rude posts of yours that I did not respond to, hoping you’d back off your high horse and leave me alone, but you didn’t so guess what, I finally responded. Nothing hypocritical about it. I can define Hypocrite for you, but I am sure you can look it up yourself. If you want to have a breakthrough and work with others who may agree on some issues (but not on others) then stop the personal attacks and name calling.

DanaMarie, If you do not see the hypocrisy in what you are posting then I am not going to argue with you. Thank you for admitting to your rudeness. No apology necessary. BTW being rude is not exactly what I would call respectful behavior but maybe I am just riding along on my high horse I absolutely agree with you on personal attacks and name calling. There is no good reason why that is appropriate behavior no matter what side you are on. This thread is full of bad behavior on both sides and I think we probably agree on that as well. My grandmother taught me to not say anything if I can't say something good about someone. I can hear her tell me that now is a good time to practice that wisdom. So, here it is: Thank you for speaking up on what you believe to be fair and reasonable on the issue of public recreational beach enjoyment versus private exclusive beach enjoyment. Your voice is important! I have actually learned a lot and I respect every bfo and the problems we are having with crowding, vending and behavior on the beach. I sincerely hope and wish that we all come together and find solutions and compromises so that we all can enjoy the beaches forever. The End (of another monologue)

mputnal,

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If you actually read what I wrote you will see that I was talking about future capacity and future development. If developers can advertise free use of private beaches to the owners and renters of large non-beach developments, they’ll get higher sales prices and higher rental rates. That’s a fact. Higher sales prices and higher rental rates means more developments will be financially feasible and more will be built. That’s a fact....

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If you think that "free use of private beach" is what drove prices to what they are and that is what is keeping non-beach development prices so high you need to go read sales ads from about 25 years ago to present. You will see that when realtors started advertising "private beach" and "private beach access" is when the development of this area got out of hand. But as JimmyT said that horse is out of the barn and now we have a bunch of newcomers that should be taking that up with the realtor that sold them on that so they could drive the prices through the roof. Back in "the boom" more people in Florida had real estate licenses than had drivers licenses and not all of them were/are fine upstanding people. Most people move to a beach thinking they will be able to actually go to the beach without having to navigate a sea of "no trespassing" signs.

#2203 “State Parks cost money to maintain so Fbb please share (I know that is a bad word for you) [putting words in other's mouth again!?] with us how you maintain the beach sand.”

Not that it matters what FL tax payers pay to maintain their deeded beach because the title beach bundle of rights are the same as mine; but I paid much more than $25,000 mandated by Walton County police powers just in property taxes for the "privilege" to have the Constitutional individual rights including quiet uninterrupted enjoyment to the MHWL on our legal deed AND I fill in the public dug sand pits, pick up public dog poop, cover up the public human urine, and pick up the public trash. How about you? How much do you pay to maintain the private beaches you use? How much property taxes did the State of Florida pay Walton County? Zero. That’s Police Powers.

#2202 “What is different about the beachfront title and bundle of rights? What facts or law do you have to offer?” None so far and zero credibility.

JodiFL,

I remember the area well from 25 years ago. In the late 70s and early to mid-80s, when I lived in New Orleans, we went to Destin when we went to the beach. I moved to Birmingham in the mid-80s, and still went to Destin for a couple more years, but as Destin became more and more crowded, and I realized I could rent a house on the beach in an area without high-rises, I started renting in Seagrove and Grayton. That’s when I first knew that eventually I’d want to live here. Back then I thought that one day I’d be able to afford beachfront, but then year by year I watched the prices of the beachfront homes skyrocket. It probably did have a lot to do with the fact that the beachfront deeds included property to the MHWL. Increases in the cost of beachfront homes probably resulted in increases in non-beachfront as well, but I wasn’t watching non-beachfront prices at the time. Back then it was nowhere near crazy crowded like it is today. Seaside was not fully developed, Alys Beach, Rosemary, Watercolor and a number of other areas weren’t yet developed, and most of the houses in Grayton were much smaller than they are today. For someone who has not lived here for very long but visited often, even I have nostalgic feelings for those years. I can’t imagine living here for the past 25 years and seeing the unbridled growth first-hand.


But my post was not meant to be about past prices and what made them skyrocket. My post was intended to be about future uncontrolled growth. The public beaches weren’t at capacity 25 years ago. They probably weren’t even at capacity 10-15 years ago. Now they’re well past capacity. I wish beachfront to the MHWL was never sold to private residents, but it was. I wish the County could buy it back (for an appropriate price), but I doubt the County could afford it and I don’t know how many beachfront owners, if any, would sell. Yes, the horse is out of the barn. I just don’t believe that means that the public has the right to use private property. You’re right, of course, that most people who move to the beach think they’ll actually be able to go to the beach. I believe that if the public is granted that right through customary use, that it will only contribute to more development and even more overcrowding.

JodiFL,

I remember the area well from 25 years ago. In the late 70s and early to mid-80s, when I lived in New Orleans, we went to Destin when we went to the beach. I moved to Birmingham in the mid-80s, and still went to Destin for a couple more years, but as Destin became more and more crowded, and I realized I could rent a house on the beach in an area without high-rises, I started renting in Seagrove and Grayton. That’s when I first knew that eventually I’d want to live here. Back then I thought that one day I’d be able to afford beachfront, but then year by year I watched the prices of the beachfront homes skyrocket. It probably did have a lot to do with the fact that the beachfront deeds included property to the MHWL. Increases in the cost of beachfront homes probably resulted in increases in non-beachfront as well, but I wasn’t watching non-beachfront prices at the time. Back then it was nowhere near crazy crowded like it is today. Seaside was not fully developed, Alys Beach, Rosemary, Watercolor and a number of other areas weren’t yet developed, and most of the houses in Grayton were much smaller than they are today. For someone who has not lived here for very long but visited often, even I have nostalgic feelings for those years. I can’t imagine living here for the past 25 years and seeing the unbridled growth first-hand.


But my post was not meant to be about past prices and what made them skyrocket. My post was intended to be about future uncontrolled growth. The public beaches weren’t at capacity 25 years ago. They probably weren’t even at capacity 10-15 years ago. Now they’re well past capacity. I wish beachfront to the MHWL was never sold to private residents, but it was. I wish the County could buy it back (for an appropriate price), but I doubt the County could afford it and I don’t know how many beachfront owners, if any, would sell. Yes, the horse is out of the barn. I just don’t believe that means that the public has the right to use private property. You’re right, of course, that most people who move to the beach think they’ll actually be able to go to the beach. I believe that if the public is granted that right through customary use, that it will only contribute to more development and even more overcrowding.

No pretense
No agenda
No threats
No propaganda
No ultimatum
No line in sand
No bloviating
Just honest, simple, bare naked, real world, "Watched it with my own eyes" ... FACT

Regardless of who wins...
Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

No pretense
No agenda
No threats
No propaganda
No ultimatum
No line in sand
No bloviating
Just honest, simple, bare naked, real world, "Watched it with my own eyes" ... FACT

Regardless of who wins...
Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy, Ridiculous hogwash. Notions like "Beach Use Density" and private property signs excluding the good public from beaches they have used for centuries and HB631 will destroy our 30A Legacy. On your list you left out personal attacks, attacking ones business, juvenile name calling and calling Customary Use supporters disparaging names like CU Pirates, and mob, and hooligans exhibited by many of your anonymous ilk on this thread.

Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy, Ridiculous hogwash. Notions like "Beach Use Density" and private property signs excluding the good public from beaches they have used for centuries and HB631 will destroy our 30A Legacy. On your list you left out personal attacks, attacking ones business, juvenile name calling and calling Customary Use supporters disparaging names like CU Pirates, and mob, and hooligans exhibited by many of your anonymous ilk on this thread.

Please, don’t forget hypocrite.

During 110,000 views and 2,200 posts here, we have begged for a mature discussion on topic. To spur that discussion, we have provided documented definitions of behaviors indicative of a:
Pirate
Mob
Hooligan

While trying to use those illustrative adjectives as metaphorical tools to depict obvious strategy and behaviors, we welcome alternative views with supporting facts that refute their accuracy, we have yet to receive that.

In the meantime, we’ve offered volumes proving that BPO’s are indeed not as a group:
Greedy
Elite
Wealthy
Scoundrels
Power Brokers
Scum
Thieves
Criminals

Regardless of who wins,
Customary Use Will Destroy Our 30A Legacy

#2214 On your list you left out personal attacks, attacking ones business, juvenile name calling and calling Customary Use supporters disparaging names like CU Pirates, and mob, and hooligans exhibited by many of your ilk on this thread.

Wow! Why can’t this thread be about credible facts? Are CU believers really going to get into a p***ing contest about attacks and disparaging name calling exhibited by “many of your ilk” on this thread! Here are but a few;

#3 ... more than just behavior on the beach that motivates you and your Komrades.

Lost count of the BPOs called GREEDY. Despicable. "condescending and derogatory". Propaganda. "ridiculous ... ridiculous and silly." "full of it. bombardment of total and complete BS". "narcissism, anger management problems, and delusions of grandeur ... angry buffoon". "dishonest ... dishonest and disrespectful ... propaganda". "morally right ... arrogance ... bullshit ... insulting ... propaganda". There's more CU believer’s BPO attacks but I think anyone can get the idea. That is just on this thread - not all SoWal or anti-social media.

#9 Jenksy “... you are part of the problem and should leave.” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#158 Lake View Too “...continuing with a barrage of misinformation, it is quite reminiscent of Nazi tactics used to dominate the media.” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#173 and #179 Jenksy CU believer reply; “Exactly what a NAZI would say.” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
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#406 Lake View Too “Are you a joke? ... The only reason you need to have a sign is to prove you are an ahole.” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#431 Dawn “morally wrong and anti-human, while saying stupid stuff”
#732 Dawn, "Cowardly"? "your contempt and self righteousness."? "axe grinding against a couple of outspoken Customary Use activists"?

#462 “DEMONIZE. that is what you and your friends here do best.” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#636 James Bentwood (pseudonym?) “I am calling out the Auburn fan's propaganda ...” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

#842 Jenksy “This thread is now owned by an attention whore.”
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#1467 LV2 “You’re both fools, ...” Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

... don’t have time to list the many-many more CU believers personal attacks, juvenile name calling and calling BPOs disparaging names. Factual challenges on baseless beliefs should be acceptable.

Surprised the pseudonyms dead horse was not mentioned.
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#832 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
#2159 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

While we're makin' a list, and checkin' it twice, might as well add the new term from Governor Huckabee's Florida Bar Complaint against FBFA attorney Daniel Uhlfelder's behavior:
"Childish peevishness."

While we're makin' a list, and checkin' it twice, might as well add the new term from Governor Huckabee's Florida Bar Complaint against FBFA attorney Daniel Uhlfelder's behavior:
"Childish peevishness."

Check out this list:
Mr, Uhlfelder's twitter feed had 400 followers yesterday. Today, 31,000. Now be sure and check it twice.

Check out this list:
Mr, Uhlfelder's twitter feed had 400 followers yesterday. Today, 31,000. Now be sure and check it twice.

Why would a competent attorney grow a hate club mob overnight? As if that would be something professionally to be proud of?

At least now nobody's talking about your beach bar in the dunes. Or that Walton Watchdog Blog. Or the shocking fact that you think managing beach use density is "ridiculous".

What did you want to check again twice? I forget.

Why would a competent attorney grow a hate club mob overnight? As if that would be something professionally to be proud of?

There you go again, with the name-calling characterizing all people who love public beaches as a “hate club mob” So creative and just plain mean. Your contempt for thousands of good people who love public beaches is quite evident. Didn’t you come up with that term “beach density?” limiting peoples access to the beach and trying to somehow lessen than the number of people who can even come to the beach and then labeling everyone a mob. A little advice. If you’re the new Beach front owner spokesperson and Marketing pitch inventor you’re not going to get very many supporters. But you probably already know that.

Why would a competent attorney grow a hate club mob overnight? As if that would be something professionally to be proud of?

At least now nobody's talking about your beach bar in the dunes. Or that Walton Watchdog Blog. Or the shocking fact that you think managing beach use density is "ridiculous".

What did you want to check again twice? I forget.

Watchdog #49Followers, Beprow #20Followers.

Thanks for the reminder. Checking it twice. Mr Uhlfelder just picked up another 10,000 followers in the last two hours.

Check out this list:
Mr, Uhlfelder's twitter feed had 400 followers yesterday. Today, 31,000. Now be sure and check it twice.

I'm sure that we're all impressed.

There you go again, with the name-calling characterizing all people who love public beaches as a “hate club mob” So creative and just plain mean. Your contempt for thousands of good people who love public beaches is quite evident. Didn’t you come up with that term “beach density?” limiting peoples access to the beach and trying to somehow lessen than the number of people who can even come to the beach and then labeling everyone a mob. A little advice. If you’re the new Beach front owner spokesperson and Marketing pitch inventor you’re not going to get very many supporters. But you probably already know that.

Correction. I didn't call any names so don't twist my words. A quick peek at attorney Uhlfelder's Twitter easily reveals his hate club mob is a politicized polarization of leftists who hate all conservatives, and in particular Mike Huckabee.

BPOs do not have contempt for thousands of good people who love public beaches. They DO have contempt for people who sue them, like you, for greedy commercial control of their private property.

Conservative BPOs want to conserve the environmental integrity of the beach and shoreline, and not turn over the commercial control of Walton County beaches to a group of ever-changing elected officials with a long history of corruption and blinded thirst for the tourist dollar.

I'm a spokesperson for nobody. Just trying to point out how you continue to twist words to portray your own agenda. An agenda which serves your beach bar in the dunes, and beaches so jam-packed with tourists that it's not fun for anybody, except for hordes of drunk partying adolescents maybe.

A little advice. Twisting my words will get you nowhere. But I'm happy to directly quote you, Dave. But you probably already know that.

Correction. I didn't call any names so don't twist my words. A quick peek at attorney Uhlfelder's Twitter easily reveals his hate club mob is a politicized polarization of leftists who hate all conservatives, and in particular Mike Huckabee.

BPOs do not have contempt for thousands of good people who love public beaches. They DO have contempt for people who sue them, like you, for greedy commercial control of their private property.

Conservative BPOs want to conserve the environmental integrity of the beach and shoreline, and not turn over the commercial control of Walton County beaches to a group of ever-changing elected officials with a long history of corruption and blinded thirst for the tourist dollar.

I'm a spokesperson for nobody. Just trying to point out how you continue to twist words to portray your own agenda. An agenda which serves your beach bar in the dunes, and beaches so jam-packed with tourists that it's not fun for anybody, except for hordes of drunk partying adolescents maybe.

A little advice. Twisting my words will get you nowhere. But I'm happy to directly quote you, Dave. But you probably already know that.

With all due respect Mr. Alex, anonymous proclaimer of private beaches, “twisting words to portray your own agenda.” I was going to say that about you. As I’ve said many times before, house bill 631 set forth a procedure for counties to reaffirm customary use after their lawfully passed ordinance was gutted. The county and Florida beaches for All and any other parties who are involved in this lawsuit are merely following the procedures set forth. No other option was available other than to roll over to the notion of private beaches which is counter to our coastal economy, our quality of life and the pure enjoyment for families who live here and visit here to enjoy the beaches are they always have without exclusion and offending private property signs. They are an aberration and the day they are removed will be a day to celebrate for all of Florida.

Please, can we stick with the facts that establish credibility!? #1757 I don’t attack CU believers, only the notion of baseless CU beliefs and misinformation. Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy

Fact. Ancient English common law public customary use of private beachfront property is a de novo legal process with from 4 to 7 CU criteria depending on which court or medieval English legal doctrine or statute the courts rely on. No dispute what the criteria is or what the criteria means so how can CU be in dispute (sarcasm). No public CU criteria includes polls(1), or number of anti-social media followers, or if enforcing American property rights affect the local economy. Only social media and politicians care about the number of followers - not the courts.

#2225 “house bill 631 set forth a procedure for counties to reaffirm customary” Again, FS163.035, not HB631, set forth a BPO due process “de novo” legal process to have a judge to make a declaratory judgment that old English public CU is superior to American Constitutional private rights. FS163.035 is not “a procedure for counties to reaffirm customary use” because FS163.035 is DE NOVO (2). The court starts “anew” like nothing happened before. Before FS163.035 NO other FL county had tried to unilaterally declare public CU on private property so there is NO other counties to “reaffirm” public CU in.

“always have without exclusion and offending private property signs.” Another unsubstantiated belief. The law of the land has been and is today that BPO can choose to allow others on their property to the MHWL or not. Most BPO have but fro how long if BPO prevail in the estimated up to $50,000,000 litigation? BPO signs have been around for decades and are protected by the Constitution First Amendment (see Goodwin Goodwin v. Walton County, Florida | Pacific Legal Foundation ). Like this 2007 Seaside First Amendment protected sign.


The only thing NEW in the last few years is the past-and-present BCC Commissioner’s and Larry Jones’ inept management of Walton tax payer’s money. TDC spending $20,000,00 in tourist taxes annually to bring more tourist to private public and privately (BCC taxed) beaches, passing on to private property owners the public demand the BCC failed to manage. New, BCC willingness to spend up to $50,000,000 on CU and maybe get nothing. New, CU believer’s intentional social media misinformation about public CU on private property. Who wouldn’t want free beach use on social media; except the owner who has to pay for the property and clean up after the public customary use because their is no law enforcement? New, Quiet Title of private beaches for $400 were ever public property, or BPOs do not pay taxes or can build seaward of CCCL on their dry sand property, or that FS163.035 is anything other a BPO property due process law, or that the Walton tourist bed tax, property values have only increased with FL economy since FS163.035 or the Walton CU ordinance, or over 650+ of the 1,193 BPO parcels (about 2,500 BPOs), not a “handful” have hired about 34 of the best attorneys in FL to intervene for them collectively. BCC have cost Walton tax payers to date about a million dollars and BPOs in-total a guest-a-ment of about millions dollars, and after more than a year the Walton $425/hr attorneys can’t even get the BPO notifications right so the trial can start and the CU Plaintiff can prove their case. The first motion is if old English common law customary use is superior to American Constitution 5th and 14th Amendments. If affirmed that CU is unconstitutional no number of CU followers will matter. CUnCourt.

#2022 Why do BPOs feel compelled to use pseudonyms? Because of CU believers civil discourse like this Mike Huckabee’s F***ABEE Stickers and staged trespass on BPO property by CU believer attorney and others or frivolous police reports filed against BPO but not known CU believer active shooter videos.
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(1) Who commissioned the partisan Sep 2018 Mason-Dixon poll? FBFA? An individual? If you know and will not say; why not? #86 Customary Use and Our 30A Legacy
(2) De novo De Novo - FindLaw